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Topic: Disneyland to allow AP holders to make payments

#	Author	Message
61	Mr X Sun 9/21/2008 7:52p	SD, thanks. Makes sense.
62	LuLu Sun 9/21/2008 10:24p	I understand posts 59 & 60, but if someone uses their new AP for a week-long (or longer) trip in the first month, then cancels their credit card, they've pretty much ripped Disney off, even if it's not exactly money out of Disney's pocket. I guess I'm overthinking this. Hopefully the number of people who would do something like that is very small.
63	LuLu Sun 9/21/2008 10:27p	Nonetheless, it's amazing (if true), as reported on another board, that you can use your free birthday pass as the down payment on an AP. You basically have a free AP for the first month, and Disney's trusting you won't do anything unscrupulous.
64	Liberty Belle Sun 9/21/2008 10:41p	>>if someone uses their new AP for a week-long (or longer) trip in the first month, then cancels their credit card, they've pretty much ripped Disney off<< Yeah, I had the same thought. Being an Australian, I've only had an AP once - we went for an 11-day trip in 2003 and it worked out cheaper to get APs, especially with the dining and shopping discounts. Anyway (if the payment plan had been around then) I could have used it for that trip, then come home and cancelled my credit card, since we knew we weren't going again in the next year. Of course, I absolutely wouldn't ever do that, but it wouldn't surprise me if there are some people out there who might. As you said, hopefully if there are people who do it they're a very small percentage.
65	Mr X Mon 9/22/2008 4:06a	This might be true in a limited number of cases, but I highly doubt there are a whole bunch of nefarious criminals out to steal a few days at Disneyland. ;) Not to mention the fact that if you're really of such a mind there are easy enough ways to hop fences or scam your way through the gates. And that wouldn't potentially harm your credit history either. Next question. ;p
66	davewasbaloo Mon 9/22/2008 4:43a	>>>Next question. ;p<<< How does DL stop being commoditised which erodes even more of what makes the place so special?
67	Mr X Mon 9/22/2008 4:51a	I don't understand "commoditised". What does that mean? Honest question here, I'm just not understanding this part. Or how it pertains to how they sell tickets to the park. As far as what is eroding what makes the place special, does that really have to do with ticket sales or how they accomplish that? I really don't think so. It has more to do, I think, with the true sentiment of America these days...which is that mediocrity is a good thing. We see that reflected in the Disney parks to such an extent now, I think I could write a book. It's "good enough", and so that's all you get. Not happy? Go someplace else (because we're the "best"..mediocre though we may be). I understand your arguments, Dave, I really do. But I don't see why getting pissed about a payment plan (not to mention insulting families of four who can't necessarily afford $1,500 at a whack in order to pay for the exorbitant tickets as "people who Disneyland isn't meant for") is really the answer.
68	danyoung Mon 9/22/2008 5:31a	>What does that mean? Honest question here, I'm just not understanding this part. Or how it pertains to how they sell tickets to the park.< When something becomes cheap enough, it becomes a commodity. And I just can't see this as anything but a good thing for Disney parks - that even more people can come in and enjoy the place without having to pay major money per day. It's absolutely no different than taking an AP and putting it on a credit card, except for the fact that a credit card will charge interest.
69	Mr X Mon 9/22/2008 5:37a	Well, I don't think that's necessarily a "good thing"...who wants crowded parks (except for Disney themselves, of course lol)? Having said that though, I don't think making the annual pass a payment option thing makes the place "cheaper". If anything, the Disney parks have become horrifically expensive these past few years. Heck, trying to get my THREE year old into the parks in Florida (the rest of us were comped) cost a disgusting ONE HUNDRED AND FIVE dollars, for one three year old child, WITH a discount. Sorry..I don't buy the "commodity" argument, if I'm understanding it correctly. The parks are grossly overpriced as amusement options these days.
70	davewasbaloo Mon 9/22/2008 5:55a	In order to build mega AA laden attractions, provide broadway quality shows, have thoroughly accurate theming and cohesive stories costs money. By cheapening a product, it takes much longer to recoup one's investment. The business case no longer stacks up, so we get cheaper and lower quality offerings. Eventually what made us all fall in love with Disney parks will disappear. We are already seeing it - cutting entertainment, reducing shows, questionable quality of numerous attractions, reduction of menu offerings, diminished shopping experiences with the same Jack Sparrow and Princess rubbish everywhere. Can you imagine what next. I see it all the time with organisations I have worked with. The steps are reduce more or go bankrupt. Eventually people stop paying to travel to the resorts and the place becomes another 6 Flags experience. Disney was never designed to be a place people go regularly and cheaply. The amount of people who used to save up even in the relatively cheap days of ticket books. Why did they save? Because it was worth it. Characters in IASW and Winnie the Pooh offerings are not worth it. Hence why I think this (and the AP programme) are bad for the DLR.

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