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Topic: 9/23/08 Demolish Club 33? (True-Life Adventureland)

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1	AutoPost Tue 9/23/2008 11:44a	This topic is for Discussion of: 9/23/08 Demolish Club 33? (True-Life Adventureland)
2	DyGDisney Tue 9/23/2008 11:50a	It doesn't bother me at all that there is a "private" restaurant inside the park that I can't visit. Maybe others don't feel that way though.
3	FerretAfros Tue 9/23/2008 12:04p	For some reason, I don't really have a problem with Club 33, but I do have a problem with them theoretically renting out the Dreams Suite to people for the night. I guess the suite gives you a really unique experience that nobody else will have, while you share your Club 33 experience with the other people there. Disneyland is a social place and you should be with other people there (even if you don't know them and aren't talking to them). Another thing that bugs me about the Dreams Suite (and to a lesser extent, the castle suite) is that it used to be a place where everybody could go. Sure, the Gallery wasn't the greatest attraction in the world, but it was a nice little diversion. Adding the Suite there sort of makes a clear seperation of people (especially if they are paying to use it) within the park. Using the extra space above some shops for a club where you can eat lunch, when you can just as easily eat lunch on the first floor of the exact same building, doesn't seem as bad to me. For some reason, letting people pay an arm and a leg for lunch doesn't seem unfair to me. I've only been to the Blue Bayou once, even though I've visited the park countless times. It just doesn't really seem to be the type of place that I would want to have a super-high-end meal very often. On special occasions, it might be nice, but it just doesn't seem practical for every day use. I guess a lot of it boils down to splitting hairs and taking into account the traditions of the park and what Walt did and didn't do (he did sleep there on occasion too).
4	davewasbaloo Tue 9/23/2008 12:29p	I think in moderation, things like Club 33 do have their place. I love good table service restaurants and high end hotel experiences in my Disney mix. I have aspired to earn the opportunity to enjoy them. I do not much care for the hustle and bustle of the counter service offerings. I would not want the counter service offerings to go away, because they have their place, as does Club 33 (there is also a Club in Tokyo, and we have a Shareholders lounge in DLP). In moderation, I think these things are great, but like toons or upcharge events in the MK, things can go too far, and for now I think they have the balance about right.
5	davewasbaloo Tue 9/23/2008 12:33p	And in the days of Ticket books, you could argue that was an economic caste system too. I remember when we would go with friends, they wouldn't always want to go on the same stuff for fear of running out of E Tickets. then when Magic Kingdom card members had day passes while the rest had ticket books. This is not altogether new. No matter how we slice it, not everyone is equal.
6	Hans Reinhardt Tue 9/23/2008 12:36p	Nothing wrong with services or offerings that screen out the general public. There is a cost to pass through the park's gates. Not everyone can afford that you know.
7	gmaletic Tue 9/23/2008 1:39p	davewasbaloo>And in the days of Ticket books, you could argue that was an economic caste system too. I'd actually argue that that was a fairer system, because everyone could afford to enter the park, then decide precisely how much they wanted to consume. Under the current system, everyone has to pay like they're riding a lot of rides, whether they are or not. The high price keeps people out. (And makes attraction lines a lot longer.) I know there's almost no chance we're going back to the ticketing system, but there was a lot to like about it. (Not to mention the fact that rides at that time were viewed by management as revenue generators rather than costs. So much of what goes wrong at Disney parks today can be traced to that accounting switch.) I guess the gist of my argument is not that there isn't inequality at Disney resorts--we can see that easily at the hotels. I don't think Club 33 is much of a problem really, but the Dream Suites bother me a bit; rumored "enhancements" like DVC members-only lounges and special attraction lines for resort guests bother me further. At what point do premium offerings in the parks become a problem?
8	davewasbaloo Wed 9/24/2008 12:26a	Hmmm, interesting question. I think something small like a DVC/Shareholder lounge is fine. But I think the Dream Suite went a little far (then again if it became a rest room for Make a Wish kids, I think I would be over the moon. So I suppose it does beg a question as to motive. As for property perks, I wonder if Disney is lower their room utilisation and are therefore looking for other enticements. It's sad that they have to turn to this (in DLP by the way, people in the DLH get a free extra FP per day, and in the Castle Club of the DLH or Suites at any Disney Hotel, guests get unlimited FPs - so this already happens in Paris). Funny, I would be happy with decent cleaning, turn down again, proper room service and 24 hour facilities (and in WDW a decent transport system).
9	gmaletic Wed 9/24/2008 9:49a	Something else to consider: Club 33 offers corporate memberships, with companies able to grant up to 9 associates use of the club. How do people feel about this? This feels very sky-box-y to me...
10	bobiascastle Wed 9/24/2008 5:34p	Sounds to me like people who can't get in feel no one else should be there either. I would love to get in there but I am not going to punish the people who have the money because I don't.

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