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Topic: 9/23/08 Demolish Club 33? (True-Life Adventureland)

#	Author	Message
31	davewasbaloo Thu 11/20/2008 11:23a	Or how about we get rid of FP all together, so the parks feel a little roomier and the queues moves quicker (psychologically).
32	ImaginingDisney Thu 11/20/2008 12:33p	?????????? With Club 33 they aren't penalizing any guests in the same manner. To the best of my knowledge Club 33 didn't replace anything that people could access before, didn't replace a restaurant. It actually added something. ?????????? My feeling about Club 33 is SO WHAT it exists??? Walt built Club 33 so he could entertain special guests. It was never advertised as a restaurant in the park and even the door is tucked away pretty much out of site. Most places, airports, hotels all have spaces reserved for special guests and we as the groveling commoner, do not know much about it and pretty much don't care. Club 33 filled a need for Walt and we grovelers should care not if it exists for we should not even know about it. The current management of The Disney Company, does not look at the parks or attractions or restaraunts or even the magic as Walt did. They have a totally different mind set, and that pretty much is the dollar. Any magic that filters down to us guests is not from the top but from the designers that find a way to convince these guys that it is cost effective. If they cannot prove it cost effective, it won't exist. To Demolish Club 33 would be another of Walts memories gone. Many of the little things that make the magic work have been turned off already. One of Club 33's perks was a talking bird in the dinning room. A mic was hidden in the chandeleir and the Animatronic bird was to the side and would talk ( via a cast member ) to the guests. According to a Disney Magazine article, this bird has been silenced for a while now. Is Club 33 needed, If they would use it right, yes. Will it be used as Walt wanted, I doubt the board members will see it cost effective, thus, a hole in the money making scheme of things. It all comes down to the change of management since Walt passed. All us older guests have watched all the changes and the little thing being taken away. You younger guests will start to notice them from the lesser level of entertainment that you began enjoying. Its all money now, little regard to the magic. Farewell Club 33, You were Walts dream, not the present boards. ID The Original Mickey Mouse Club
33	fkurucz Thu 11/20/2008 2:21p	<<My feeling about Club 33 is SO WHAT it exists???>> That's how I feel. Other than its membership requirement ther eis nothing really special about the place. If you have your heart set on a truly memorable meal at DLR, then make ressies at the Napa Rose.
34	Goofyernmost Thu 11/20/2008 2:57p	>>>Or how about we get rid of FP all together, so the parks feel a little roomier and the queues moves quicker (psychologically).<<< From your mouth to gods ear.
35	toddnbeth Sat 11/22/2008 9:01p	"With Club 33 they aren't penalizing any guests in the same manner. To the best of my knowledge Club 33 didn't replace anything that people could access before, didn't replace a restaurant. It actually added something" This is a good point. Before the gallery was opened to the public, I never gave the apartment much of a thought, any more so than I do with Walts apartment over the firehouse. I know its there and am curious about it, but know that I will likely never get to see it. Once the apartment was opened to the public in the form of the Disney Gallery, it became to me a nice place to visit and over the years it became a place that I expected to be able to visit. I dont have any problem with Club 33 for this very reason. Club 33 has always been there in that space and didnt take away from another special "regular" guest experience. I have had the good fortune to be able to dine there once, but before that, I never expected to be able to go there. The fact that I did eat there was a totally unexpected surprise. What they have done with this ridiculous (in my opinion) Dream Suite would be akin to them closing down Pirates or HM permanently to the general public and making those rides available only do Dream winners or guests willing to pay thousands of dollars just for a ride.
36	wilbear64 Sun 11/23/2008 12:25p	Walt said on opening day, "Disneyland is your park..." , that is a pretty inclusive statement. I think club 33 day has come and gone. Everything in the park should be open to everyone. With space in Disneyland Park at a premium, can they really afford to have elite parts to it? As for the Walt Disney Suite above Pirates, it’s a bad idea. I miss the art galleries that use to be there. Having a “members only” type club or function belongs outside the park.
37	ImaginingDisney Mon 11/24/2008 7:05a	???????? With space in Disneyland Park at a premium, can they really afford to have elite parts to it? - > SNIP < - Having a “members only” type club or function belongs outside the park. ?????????? Disneyland is not esclusive to having a private area for special guests, All the parks ( including non-disney ) have them. It is a necesary part of serving people of higher status in the human chain of commands. Popular people, Actors, foreign dignataries, and just plain private parties are entertained in such areas and any place, airport, restaurant, thrill park will have such accommodations. The Demise of Club 33 would put Disney in a position where they are less than prepared to serve such "special" guests. It's just good business to be able to offer such support to important guests. Walt did say that DisneyLand was your park. And he meant it, saying it a little tongue in cheek. He knew he would be entertaining royalty as well as us "commoners" and he took care to be able to treat them in a comfortable manner. Just because he said it is "Your Park" did not mean you can go into the employees areas either. Try walking in to a " Cast Members Only " area and you will soon have lots of friends come visit you from the DL security department. Special guests areas are a part of the business, like it or not. I don't understand why it is such a big deal if you do not rub shoulders with movie stars and presidents or leaders of countries outside the United States. They require, and expect, protective areas, and all parks offer them. Its more than just a business move, its actually foreign affairs at a lower level. Just because you don't care about it does not mean it is not needed. You must study the big picture in all things you comment on. ID
38	whtrabbit Tue 11/25/2008 8:35a	Club 33 has always been part of the park and unless you know it is there or your attention is drawn to it then it does not cut into your enjoyment of a day at DLR. I was furious with them for taking out the Gallery, tho! I loved going up there and, even if it was the same display, you could take a few minutes in a quiet area that allowed you to decompress before jumping back into the throng. This is why they have the baby center soundproofed. It gives mom and baby a quiet area where the baby can relax from all the stimulation they get outside. The presence of Club 33 is not the problem. The problem is Disney catering to an elite group and closing off parts of the parks that were previous for all to enjoy into areas that only a "select few" can enjoy. At least Club 33 has history with Walt. All the new "exclusive" areas are just snobbish, elitist garbage. 'davewasbaloo' has the right idea in making the suite into a "Make a Wish" suite for cancer children/terminally ill children. THAT would be a better use for it.
39	wilbear64 Thu 12/25/2008 6:24p	"You must study the big picture in all things you comment on." - ID Thanks dude for making me feel stupid. I feel I have a very valid point. Just because we disagree doesn't mean you are right and I am wrong. I still believe having an elitist area in the park is archaic. Again, I FEEL those kinds of areas would be better served outside the park. A little more tolerance please, and less arrogance.
40	HappiestPlaceonEarth Thu 12/25/2008 8:23p	I think the dream suite is an awesome promotion/idea. I would LOVE for my family to be chosen to stay there for a night! What it does for me is add just a little bit more magic to an already magical place. The only thing that bugs me is when the chosen family doesn't seem very excited. Don't they realize what kind of opportunity that is? My husband and I talk all the time about how awesome it would be and how excited we'd be. We'd be happy just being the Grand Marshall for the parade! :) As for Club 33...if Walt wanted it, I want it! :)

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