Walt Disney World General
Topic: Frigid January Occupancy Numbers

#	Author	Message
101	Mr X Thu 12/4/2008 7:04a	Dalmatians.
102	Mr X Thu 12/4/2008 7:10a	***just got a letter from AmEx this week -- after buying his son a brand new car for college for $18,000 cash -- they told him they had reviewed his file and were lowering his $14,000 limit to $6,000 (he owes them about $5,800). Told the wife to forget about Christmas shopping.*** Sounds like a matter of unfortunate timing, to say the least...but what did they do, cancel Chrismas over it? They didn't have a couple hundred bucks in cash to buy some presents? Or a couple of twenties and some creativity? Or no money at all, but a spirit of giving? OR, does "forget about Christmas shopping" mean, for them, that unless they can spend thousands on elaborate and over the top gifts then that means that Christmas "must be canceled"? They should read "the Gift of the Magi", or else watch "A Charlie Brown Christmas" and listen carefully to Linus, or something.... What a horrible thing for that guy to say! You need to run with a different crowd of Spirits, Spirit! ;)
103	itsme Thu 12/4/2008 7:15a	Since they seem to be both the same I'll answer a few posts in one. >>Do I detect a tone of confrontation in your post? Spirit wasw merely passing on information that he was given.>> No confrontation, just pointing out simply that the info is bogus, If I wanted to be confrontational I would ask why you are not trying present anything other then continually saying Spirt's info is right, you gotta believe it. >>And I said on another site that this number will likely go up.>> >>BUT ... it is important to realize that even if that number goes up, which it is sure to, into the 40s or even 50s, Disney still will be doing very poorly.>> Vanna may I buy a vowel, Spin wheel spin! whats this here "it is important to realize that even if that number goes up, WHICH IT IS SURE TO". I like how you also mention some other site, What are you helping push some other site? But anyway, seems like your already starting to back off your original rock solid info. >>And scary as it may be, even Jim Hill has gone with that number and I KNOW my sources are not his.>> Jim Hill? yea there is a rock solid site to help bolster your cause. Hey speaking of Hill, I checked out his site to see what his so called info was and what do you know he wrote about this and it just so happened to be earlier in the day before you did. >>But SportGoofy and itsme are management apologists who only seem to appear in threads I post to take shots at me personally. I don't really care, but that's been their track record.>> Aww shucks they are picking on me but don't worry it doesn't bother me, cause I never have to answer anything directed at me I can just say I'm sticking by my info. Anyway I dont want to speak for SportGoofy but as for me thanks for the complimnent, If you would like I can try to hang around to expose more of your bogus info more often. >>Just so it is crystal clear ... I stand 100% behind the fact that as of late last week when the information was forwarded to me the CURRENT booking level for WDW resorts for the entire month of January (for however many rooms Disney management has put out in the systems at CRO) was around 35%. Here we go again with the spin. You stand behind your info 100% which originally was for the month, then you stated that the number surly will go up, now it only counts as of last week when the info was presented to you or is it the current booking level? I know its a waste to ask questions cause the "I know more then Disney" crowd wont answer them but it amuses me to watch them get bothered by it. So check your info, is Disney holding back rooms the week that Trippy showed at the Boardwalk, Wilderness, Polynesian etc?
104	Mr X Thu 12/4/2008 7:17a	Kennect, sorry to hear you're going through a bad situation. and I hope things improve soon! (if anything, PERHAPS your comments might ring true for thickheads like RoadTrip who seem to continue on the clueless "everything is okay" idiocy-train...PERHAPS he might just take notice, I really hope so, but I doubt it since he has said naive and ridiculous stuff for months now (despite my proving him wrong time and again) and nothing seems to stop him from doing so, even while all major economic EXPERTS finally agreed with ME and not HIM that the world is crashing down in an OBVIOUS way on top of all our heads at this point...duh)
105	Mr X Thu 12/4/2008 7:38a	***What % of that Trillion will have absolutely no impact on people? I probably have 70K of credit available that I've never used and never will use. If my limits were all cut by 50% it would be a big who cares? It wouldn't even impact my FICO. Again, I am certainly not unique. There are many people out there who have credit cards with significant credit limits who NEVER use them.*** Important to note that RoadTrip and his idiot advice over the past couple of years would have cost you money if you'd been dumb enough to listen to him. My advice, on the other hand, has been spot on. NOW, he tries to argue that it's the fault of "the negative nellies". Well, no. That's just not the case. Things are bad, because they're bad (I've explained the reasons behind it a million times here), NOT because everyone is in a panic and "everyone should just calm down". Duh. Wrong, wrong, wrong.... And economic experts now (finally) tend to agree with me. Good luck finding one that doesn't. RoadTrip is as naive as he is uninformed, and it would be downright DANGEROUS to listen to this guy. Seriously.
106	Mr X Thu 12/4/2008 7:45a	***People ARE NOT BROKE. They are scared and not spending. There are trouble spots in the country as far as real estate goes. There are industries where unemployment is bad. But overall the country is not in terrible shape. Not unless people let the fear get to them.*** Again, don't trust THIS guy. He was crying "back in the water!" when the markets were about 20% HIGHER than they were today. Consider the source.
107	RoadTrip Thu 12/4/2008 8:31a	<<So does that mean that paying my Amex in full each month is not helping me?>> Spirit is out to lunch on this one. Paying you Amex in full each month certainly will help you. The cuts in credit line are not really based on whether you pay your balance in full each month or not. Amex is currently looking at two areas when evaluating credit that they never used before: 1) Foreclosure rate in your zip code. 2) Where you use your card. If they decide to cut your credit limit they will cut it regardless of whether you pay in full each month. If you currently have a 20K limit and are carrying a balance of 9K on your card, your credit rating would be really hit if they cut your limit to 10K. If you pay off your balance each month that is typically between $500 and $1K, the reduction in your limit would have no impact on your credit rating.
108	RoadTrip Thu 12/4/2008 8:49a	X, I really get tired of your condescending foaming at the mouth. I have never doubted that some people are in serious financial trouble now. But even if those in bad shape are 20% of the population, that still means that the great majority, 80%, are doing OK. The media breathlessly reports data that means nothing and declares that the world is ending. Folks like you apparently suck it up like a Hoover. I remember the recent report that Americans in total NOW OWED MORE ON THEIR HOMES THAN THEY HAD IN EQUITY. So what? That means if I have a home worth $300,000 I owe more than $150,000 on it. Frankly, owing just 50% of your home value would be a very good thing for most people. I'm also not at all convinced that the cutback in credit will be as devastating to Disney as you think it will be. Certainly on this board, there are very few people who say they charge their WDW trips on a credit card (without paying it off the month after the trip). I think most people are pretty reluctant to charge something intangible on a credit card. You buy a sofa on a charge card, that sofa is likely to still be there 5 years from now. A vacation is gone immediately. I just can’t believe a majority of people would put that type of expense on a charge card. One last comment. Many of the LP'ers live in California or Florida. Things SUCK in California and Florida. They suck in Las Vegas and Phoenix too. People in those areas are going to see nothing but gloom and doom, and for THEIR AREA they are right. But there is a huge country out there between California and Florida, and most areas did not have the huge run up in prices that those areas did, and therefore are not seeing as big a collapse in housing prices. Things certainly are not good. But they certainly aren’t as gloom and doom as our LP pessimists make them out to be.
109	RoadTrip Thu 12/4/2008 9:34a	<<He was crying "back in the water!" when the markets were about 20% HIGHER than they were today.>> X, Please at least attempt to keep your insults accurate. I was last positive about the market (at least on any post I could find) on October 15, 2009. The DJIA closed that day at 8,577.91. It closed yesterday at 8,591.69. I may not be the world’s greatest math genius, but even I can tell that is not a loss. Certainly not a 20% loss. You really shouldn't make this stuff up as you go along.
110	RoadTrip Thu 12/4/2008 9:42a	Let’s see Mr X... All of your insulting posts were made between 12:17 AM and 12:45 AM Tokyo time. So to ask the SPP question... Were you drunk or just tired?

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