Disney Animated Films
Topic: UP is Disney/ Pixar’s first DUD

#	Author	Message
101	ni_teach Fri 6/12/2009 8:01a	Squirrel ……… I mean Dalmatians
102	ni_teach Fri 6/12/2009 8:05a	I’m sorry that you did not enjoy the movie mawnck. I thought it was a great film and while I see your point I had no trouble suspending my disbelief for the movie UP any more than I did for Star Trek which to me had even bigger plot holes in it than UP. Do I think that UP is the best pixar film ever made? No, but I do think that it is one of the better movies that has come out this summer.
103	mawnck Fri 6/12/2009 8:46a	>>I’m sorry that you did not enjoy the movie mawnck.<< Like I said, the worst thing about trying to defend negative impressions of a movie to a "hostile" crowd is that it's certain to come across worse than it actually was. I *did* enjoy the movie, despite being disappointed in it. (Mo' big ol'spoilers a-comin' any second now.) The stuff with Carl and his wife was spot-on (yes, dang it, I teared up too), and it wasn't until the house and its occupants floated safely through the hurricane and just happened to wind up within sight of the waterfall that I started having a leetle bit of trouble buying what they were selling. Dug was hee-larious, and I loved the talking dog collars. Come to think of it, all the characters were great, except that I thought they didn't spend enough time with Muntz to establish him as a worthy villain. We went from "oh good there's Muntz" to "uh oh he's bad" in what? 4 minutes? That and the inexplicable invincibility of his opponents kept him from being all that he could be, villain-wise. Lovely art design, as always. Great score. Some nice old movie homages snuck in. And I did forget to look for the pizza truck, which is a good thing. As to it being better than Star Trek or any other movies, I can't speak to that because I haven't seen them, but it doesn't surprise me. Unfortunately, it is NOT better than two of the four animated features I've seen this year (Coraline and Battle for Terra). And Ponyo is coming up. But it still beats Monsters vs. Aliens.
104	utahjosh Fri 6/12/2009 8:57a	The entire movie is quasi-fantasy once the house takes off. I liken the storm sequence to the Wizard of Oz - they aren't in Kansas anymore. They are in a world of imaginary birds, intelligent dogs, floating houses, and spry 110-yr-old men.
105	Dabob2 Fri 6/12/2009 9:11a	That's kind of how I took it, too. Which means they COULD have done the "it was all a dream" thing... no one I know of refuses to watch the Wizard of Oz or thinks it's a "cheat" because it was all a dream. Had they handled that idea well, it could have been very effective. Carl could have taken the "lessons" he learned from his dream and taken them to heart in real life. They didn't go that way, and I'm okay with that too. I took it all basically as one giant metaphor after the house took off and just went with it.
106	ecdc Fri 6/12/2009 9:36a	>>except that I thought they didn't spend enough time with Muntz to establish him as a worthy villain. We went from "oh good there's Muntz" to "uh oh he's bad" in what? 4 minutes?<< I agree with most of your criticisms (though not in degree) except this one. I think they do a very nice job of establishing Muntz as a questionable, sinister character even before we meet him. It's clear he invented the dog collars, and it's clear Dug is an exception to how the dogs behave. The dogs are a product of a nasty person. Muntz from the first second he's on the screen is ready to pounce, then he learns Carl isn't there to steal his precious bird and warms right up. Oh, and the film established the dogs were much more than regular dogs during the dinner scene, when we learn they cook and serve the food. While that is a stretch from how they've been previously set up, the film does slowly prepare us that they are much more than just regular dogs. Perhaps the discomfort some of us felt (I include myself in this) at the flying scene is precisely because the dogs need collars to talk. That suggests they're regular dogs - but then they go against that type throughout the film.
107	Socrates Fri 6/12/2009 1:27p	I agree with all the inconsistencies, probably more than usual. That's not a show-stopper for me; I really enjoyed the film, and I'm trying not to think about the holes. But having said that, I do have another one: deploying the balloons, then the house takes off. I've only seen it once, so I might have missed something, but if all the balloons were inside the house (waiting to be deployed), the house should've been flying as soon as they were all blown up. Socrates "I know nothing except the fact of my ignorance."
108	utahjosh Fri 6/12/2009 1:28p	http://pixarplanet.com/blog/an...-subplot The age thing with Muntz was originally solved with Kevin's eggs being "fountain of youth" type food, and Carl trying to protect Kevin's egg. They dropped the egg plot, but never fully resolved the age thing. And I don't really care, I LOVED the movie.
109	utahjosh Fri 6/12/2009 1:29p	< but if all the balloons were inside the house (waiting to be deployed), the house should've been flying as soon as they were all blown up.> My guess is that the balloons were all in the backyard being held down by tarps or something. Did all of the balloons come out of the chimney?
110	alexbook Fri 6/12/2009 1:41p	>>< but if all the balloons were inside the house (waiting to be deployed), the house should've been flying as soon as they were all blown up.> My guess is that the balloons were all in the backyard being held down by tarps or something. Did all of the balloons come out of the chimney?<< Yep, they came up the chimney. Socrates is right. Funny thing is that I didn't even think of it.

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