Disney Animated Films
Topic: 5 Animated Feature Oscar Nominees Possible

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1	ToonKirby Wed 10/7/2009 9:09p	>It may not be just best picture increasing the number of its nominees this year. There's a good chance the best animated feature category could jump from three to five nominees for the first time since 2002, the only year to feature more than three contenders since it was created in 2001. Academy rules state if there are 8 to 15 qualified animated features it triggers the category in any given year, and if there are 16 or more the nominee count can climb from three to five.< Possible nominees: Up Ponyo Coraline Ice Age: Dawn of the Dinosaurs Monsters Vs. Aliens Cloudy With a Chance of Meatballs The Fantastic Mr. Fox 9 Battle for Terra Planet 51 Astro Boy The Princess and the Frog A Christmas Carol Tinker Bell and the Lost Treasure Mary and Max Evangerion A Town Called Panic http://latimesblogs.latimes.co...ond.html
2	skinnerbox Wed 10/7/2009 9:17p	I don't understand why Hammond left Avatar off his list, which debuts on December 18.
3	FerretAfros Wed 10/7/2009 10:20p	Was the first Tinkerbell movie under last year's time frame? I thought it was more recent than that. It's kind of scary to think that there's another one already coming out! And will A Christmas Carol be eligable? I'm sure it will probably be considered under the same guidelines as Polar Express and Beowulf, but it's not really animated, is it? I guess this is where the line becomes especially fuzzy, and why they probably shouldn't have a seperate category for animated films. Why is the medium so different that those films can't contend with the live action ones?
4	mawnck Thu 10/8/2009 9:07a	Throw in The Secret of Kells too. I hear they're working on a qualifying run, and I hope they get it. FABULOUS film. Deserves a nomination. (So does Mary and Max.) This has indeed been a hell of a year for Animated features. The WORST one I've seen so far (IMHO, natch) was Monsters vs. Aliens, and it certainly wasn't bad. (And now it'll get nominated.) I saw "Evangelion 1.0 You Are (Not) Alone", BTW (that's its correct title), and while it's fine for what it is, a remake of the first several episodes of a classic old Anime series, I don't think it's a contender. >>I don't understand why Hammond left Avatar off his list<< It's not animated. >>Was the first Tinkerbell movie under last year's time frame?<< Yep. Could've been submitted, but they didn't. It probably didn't even occur to them that the El Capitan run met all the Oscar requirements, although the Animation sites picked up on it immediately. It was one of several otherwise eligible films that didn't get submitted. Which is why I can't get my hopes up too high for 5 noms this year. >>And will A Christmas Carol be eligable?<< The Academy definition of "animated" has been changed this year, and it is not kind to MoCap: "An animated feature film is defined as a motion picture with a running time of at least 70 minutes, in which movement and characters’ performances are created using a frame-by-frame technique." http://www.oscars.org/awards/a...ules.pdf Whether tweaked MoCap constitutes a "frame by frame technique" or not remains to be seen, but it doesn't seem like it to me. We'll just have to see if it seems like it to Disney. >>Why is the medium so different that those films can't contend with the live action ones?<< It's not the medium, it's the Academy voters, who still haven't gotten over Beauty and the Beast "stealing" one of "their" Best Picture slots. It's either separate Oscar noms or no Oscar noms at all. Period. Full Stop. Unfair? Yep. Sometimes life bees that way. Since there are 10 nominees for Best Picture this year, and we have such a kick-ass slate of animated features, we'll see just how far this prejudice goes. Include me in to the folks who are scratching their heads at A Town Called Panic. If it already ran, it sure got by me. It apparently got by Jerry Beck too.
5	FerretAfros Thu 10/8/2009 9:27a	Does the "frame-by-frame" thing still work for CGI films? One of the things I remember them making a really big deal about when Toy Story first came out was how they could place the character's body every so often (5-10 frames), and the computer would figure out how it got there. Does that still allow it to be considered 'frame-by-frame', even though they don't actually animate every single frame?
6	mawnck Thu 10/8/2009 9:37a	>>Does that still allow it to be considered 'frame-by-frame', even though they don't actually animate every single frame?<< They don't animate every single frame in hand-drawn either, unless fast action is required (or Richard Williams is in the house - see Roger Rabbit). Most American animation is "on the 2s", or a new drawing every other frame of film.
7	skinnerbox Thu 10/8/2009 3:06p	<<The Academy definition of "animated" has been changed this year, and it is not kind to MoCap: "An animated feature film is defined as a motion picture with a running time of at least 70 minutes, in which movement and characters’ performances are created using a frame-by-frame technique.">> How terribly convenient to change the rules during the year Avatar is released. If Avatar isn't eligible, then Christmas Carol shouldn't be, either.
8	mawnck Thu 10/8/2009 3:16p	I reiterate ... Avatar is not animated. It isn't even MoCap. Those are actual live actors on screen. It wouldn't have eligible for Best Animated Anything last year or any other year. (Besides, according to everything I've heard it's going to suck eggs.)
9	skinnerbox Thu 10/8/2009 5:25p	<<Avatar is not animated. It isn't even MoCap.>> So someone should tell Cameron to stop calling it MoCap. I'm assuming Avatar is a glorified sfx like Davy Jones from PotC?
10	skinnerbox Thu 10/8/2009 5:40p	Avatar begs an interesting question. When ALL of your film is sfx'ed to hell and back, the background environments, the props, the supporting non-human CG characters (like aliens or monsters), and the humanoid characters who barely resemble their 'real life' appearance... at what point do you stop classifying the film as "live action" and call it something else? I know how films are made. I understand the concept of shooting film or video in real time, while actors deliver lines to be edited later into a (hopefully) cohesive story. I get that part of the "live action" definition. But with films like Avatar, the live action essentially serves as a reference point for the special effects, and the actors end up becoming so unrecognizable from their true appearance, it's almost as though they're doing voiceover work that animators rely on for their films. Everything in Avatar is either a CG animation (for the monsters), or heavy duty sfx skins on human actors, who are working against green screens to be replaced with CG environments. Nothing seen in Avatar is as it appears in the real world. Even films like LOTR or King Kong have live actors appearing on film as they do in real life, against real world settings. Where do we finally draw the line with films like these? To call Avatar "live action" does a grave disservice to those traditional films which are mostly live action with a peppering of CG and sfx enhancements.

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