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Disney Current Events (Reading Combined Sections)
Topic: Tim Delaney has left WDI

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skinnerbox
Sat 10/17/2009 12:25p
Leemac, would you please chime in here? I'm guessing you know more than what I've read online today. All I know is that Tim has left Imagineering, either voluntarily or otherwise. (I'm guessing "officially" he left on his own, but unofficially NOT.)

Tim is an amazing talent. His concept art over the years has been phenomenal, especially for DLP. I would love to have a litho of the original concept of DLP's Discovery Mountain, with the Nautilus berthed inside the mountain (top of page 259 in Alain and Didier's terrific coffee table book).

It totally sucks to see such amazing talent being pushed out Glendale's front door, since Iger took over day-to-day operations in 2005. I don't see any long-term Imagineers remaining by Shanghai's opening. Anyone with over 25 years seems at risk now.

How much longer before Tony Baxter and Tom Fitzgerald are pushed out the door? I'm guessing, not very long.
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2001DLFan
Sat 10/17/2009 3:59p
Fitzgerald was already pushed "aside". He had been part of the deterioration of Imagineering for much of the past decade before the last reorganization. It's like they are trying to get rid of all the talent behind all of Disney's successful parks. They got rid of the Kirks who were behind Tokyo DIsneySea. Now they are eliminating those who were responsible for Disneyland Paris. Of course, they would have liked to have gotten rid of Baxter years ago, but were afraid of the backlash by Disney fans if that happened.

In house, it appears that being creatively successful is not good for your resume.
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skinnerbox
Sat 10/17/2009 4:33p
<<In house, it appears that being creatively successful is not good for your resume.>>

Penny wise, pound foolish.
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Spirit of 74
Sat 10/17/2009 9:46p
Just got confirmation that Tim Delaney as well as top sculptor Val Edwards (she did Obama for HoP) were indeed laid off. They didn't leave of their own free will.

Apparently, much like the recent moves with Rich Ross taking over for D-I-C-K Cook and George Kalogridis taking over for Ed Grier, The Weatherman and his Parks and Resorts Minion of Evil Jay Rasulo are trying to rid Disney of anyone who dares think for themselves. All yes men (and women) all the time.

Still, trying to track down more info, but apparently Valerie let it be known she had concerns over quality control issues involving sculpting and AAs and was invited to go spend more time with her family.

Not sure on Tim Delaney yet.

Sad, but typical.
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Manfried
Sun 10/18/2009 4:50p
Tim might have been able to draw, but let's face it many of the things he did over the last 15 years were design failures.
Valerie's loss is regrettable, maybe they will give here a consultant contract.
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Spirit of 74
Sun 10/18/2009 6:45p
^^If Disney 2009 rid itself of everyone who had failures, they'd have almost no one left ... especially at WDI.

And the writing is on the wall for guys like Tony Baxter and Tom Fitzgerald. I don't see either of them making it out of 2010 employed.

Even Joe Rohde is getting up there in years (no in the real world, but in the Disney $$$ universe).

Quality doesn't seem to matter. It's all about politics. The names have just changed ... now, it's all about making Jay happy and that means Bruce, who seems to be little more than a WDI enforcer.


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Manfried
Sun 10/18/2009 7:30p
Gee you think the amount of money they make has something to do with it? Duh.
It is a business, and frankly what have they done to make money for Disney?
And frankly I doubt if they would be let go unless John L. from Pixar didn't sign off on it.
He knows politicians like Tim D. and Tom F. when he sees them.
The biggest failure of WDI wasn't necessarily quality. It was lack of creative honesty.
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skinnerbox
Sun 10/18/2009 8:25p
<<And frankly I doubt if they would be let go unless John L. from Pixar didn't sign off on it.>>

John has zero management power in Glendale. He simply serves in an advisory capacity for Creative Development. He has nothing to do with who stays and who goes.

<<He knows politicians like Tim D. and Tom F. when he sees them.>>

News flash. Tony Baxter is the most successful Imagineering "politician" left at WDI. Marty held that top slot for decades before his retirement in July. And FWIW, John and Tom are good friends, have been since the development of Tough to be a Bug for DAK. No way John would ever advocate the dismissal of any senior Imagineer he enjoys collaborating with.

<<The biggest failure of WDI wasn't necessarily quality. It was lack of creative honesty.>>

"Creative honesty"? Sounds like spin to justify dismal project budgets which individual Imagineers have zero control over.

I don't know why you've got a bone to pick with Delaney, but given you've only joined LP today, I sense a healthy dose of schadenfreude in defending his dismissal. Too bad for you.

Tim was a great designer and neophyte Imagineers will miss wonderful learning opportunities because of his absence.
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Spirit of 74
Sun 10/18/2009 8:39p
<<Gee you think the amount of money they make has something to do with it? Duh.>>

Gee. And what kind of salaries do you think say Rich Ross at the Studios or George Kalogridis at DLR will pull down vs. the guys they replaced?

I can guarantee you Disney isn't saving a penny on either.

<<It is a business, and frankly what have they done to make money for Disney?>>

Are we talking about Tony and Tom or Tim and Valerie?

<<And frankly I doubt if they would be let go unless John L. from Pixar didn't sign off on it.>>

Please. BS. John has power, but only to a point. He was very close to Dick Cook. But do you think The Weatherman called him to ask for advice before axing him? Do you think he asked who would be a good replacement?

And the thought John would be consulted before folks on Tim and Val's level at WDI are let go is not reality.

<<He knows politicians like Tim D. and Tom F. when he sees them.>>

Tom may well be a politician. Tony too. But Tim has never come off that way. Might be why he's never been given creative control of a resort.


<<The biggest failure of WDI wasn't necessarily quality. It was lack of creative honesty.>>

Hmm ... keep going ... I'm enjoying this.
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Spirit of 74
Sun 10/18/2009 8:44p
<<John has zero management power in Glendale. He simply serves in an advisory capacity for Creative Development. He has nothing to do with who stays and who goes.>>

Exactly. If he did, I can't help but think there would be major changes in the WDI structure.

<<He knows politicians like Tim D. and Tom F. when he sees them.>>

<<News flash. Tony Baxter is the most successful Imagineering "politician" left at WDI. Marty held that top slot for decades before his retirement in July. And FWIW, John and Tom are good friends, have been since the development of Tough to be a Bug for DAK. No way John would ever advocate the dismissal of any senior Imagineer he enjoys collaborating with.>>

C'mon skinner, the newbie clearly wants to get some things of his/her shoulders. I love to let people talk when they're emotional ... you never know what you're going to get!


<<The biggest failure of WDI wasn't necessarily quality. It was lack of creative honesty.>>

<<"Creative honesty"? Sounds like spin to justify dismal project budgets which individual Imagineers have zero control over.>>

Exactly. I'd love to have seen Tim's original concepts for both DLP and DCA happen, but they didn't. Not his fault. Imagineers don't get to determine how much money they're going to have. And sometimes ... many times, you just can't do creatively what you intended on teh budget given.

<<I don't know why you've got a bone to pick with Delaney, but given you've only joined LP today, I sense a healthy dose of schadenfreude in defending his dismissal. Too bad for you.

Tim was a great designer and neophyte Imagineers will miss wonderful learning opportunities because of his absence.>>

Agreed.

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