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Topic: This was sent to me by Penn & Teller

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1	davewasbaloo Sat 11/7/2009 12:27a	It is an interesting take on Athiesm and Agnosticism. This is very interesting. I personally am agnostic. I do not know if there is a god. There may be a higher spirit (it would be comforting, no doubt). But I am tired of athiests, agnostics and pagans being vilifies in the US. So, I urge you to watch this. It is interesting. As was said, religion is the opiate of the mass...es. After all, I have never heard of a Jihad, Holocaust or Christian Crusade by agnostics and athiests. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...embedded
2	davewasbaloo Sat 11/7/2009 12:12p	No comments about this one huh?
3	ecdc Sat 11/7/2009 1:21p	I love Penn & Teller but I'm at work and won't be able to watch it until later :) Their show's one of my all-time favorites.
4	davewasbaloo Sat 11/7/2009 1:31p	well, it is only slightly related to Penn and Teller, but very cool
5	ecdc Sat 11/7/2009 1:56p	Okay, snuck away for a few minutes to watch it and really enjoyed it. The only thing I thought was a little weak when they showed a string of actors. Not that those people are "vile" as the Bible describes them, but just the fact that they're famous doesn't make them good examples of atheists. Overall, excellent. Atheists are almost always people like me, raised in religious households who have gone through very difficult, often painful changes and transitions to get where they are. We've often been on both sides of the fence - believer and non-believer. Yet we're often treated like ignorant fools by believers - people who themselves could never walk a mile in our shoes. In reality, atheists are almost always more educated and more knowledgeable about religion; Bill Maher said it really well: religious people often don't know very much about religion. Most atheists get where we are through lots of thought, questioning, and study. We don't just wake up one day and say, "Ah, the heck with it."
6	davewasbaloo Sat 11/7/2009 2:07p	Agreed, I thought the actor bit was a little week, but when they then went into the others, it was cool. I just wish the theists could realise people can be moral without religion.
7	mele Sat 11/7/2009 4:06p	And often atheists/agnostics are *better* people, have more morals (and actually live by those morals instead of just jibberjabbing about them) than many of the most vocal theists.
8	danyoung Sat 11/7/2009 7:29p	An interesting piece, although I do have a slight problem with the premise. Why would someone proposing the theory of there being no God take anything out of the Bible to prove or disprove a point? It's kinda like a liberal trying to disprove everything about conservatives by quoting everything Rush Limbaugh has to say (well, not the best analogy but you get my point). I've long thought that religion and a belief in a higher power that had all things under control were just man's way of coping with the big question of "Why am I here?" "What's the meaning of life?" "Who put all this in motion?" It's something that we may never know. But to build a being that knows all, sees all, listens to everyone, and decides who prospers and who fails, and who lives and who dies - well, I just can't buy that this being exists. So dave, why the Penn & Teller reference?
9	LoyalOrderWaterBuffa Sat 11/7/2009 11:20p	~~~~~ After all, I have never heard of a Jihad, Holocaust or Christian Crusade by agnostics and athiests.~~~~ DANGER WILL ROBINSON DANGER!!!! don't be too fixed on your beliefs mr. Joesph Stalin, we'd like you to meet davewasbaloo davewasbaloo, this is mr. Joseph Stalin. This Russian wasn't a very nice person to 10 or more million people.
10	LoyalOrderWaterBuffa Sat 11/7/2009 11:31p	I need to slowwwwwww down because I'm driving 50mph in a residential neighborhood ~~~~~nice person to 10 million people or more ~~~~

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