Mon 8/27/2012 3:20p
|A lot of parks talk about "dwarfing Disneyland." Of course, in physical terms that's not that hard to do. |
|12||Jim in Merced CA|
Mon 8/27/2012 3:56p
|Gilroy Gardens is here -- in Gilroy. It's struggling. (Used to be Bonfante Gardens). Cedar Fair is running it.|
Six Flags Discovery Kingdom is in Vallejo. From a couple of reports, it's looking a bit worse for the wear.
And then, Califoria's Great America (the park formerly known as Marriott's Great America) is still sort of open up in Santa Clara -- operating as a mere shadow of it's former self by Cedar Fair.
Hey, what do I know? I bought a house in the Central Valley in July 2005. LOL!
Mon 8/27/2012 3:58p
They say it will "dwarf" Disneyland, but the entire project will sit on 600 acres. That includes the race track, hotels, shopping, casino, etc. The Disneyland Resort apparently sits on 500 or so acres. (That must include the proposed third theme park site & related parking areas.)
My guess is that the actual theme park will be either the same size or slightly smaller than Disneyland considering all of the other things they're shoving into that parcel, plus the associated parking lots.
As for the project itself; my guess is that the developer wants to build retail and a casino. They only threw in a theme park to jazz up the proposal. At some point along the way, they'll appeal to the city to let them build the casino and/or retail first because they can't get financing for the theme park without those components. Once the "real" projects get built, they'll forget about the theme park altogether or else it will become "too ambitious".
The old "Gold Rush Village" project was just a ruse to get a housing development built in an area where it was typically rejected to preserve farm land. In that instance, the city dug in its heels and insisted that the theme park come first before any housing was built. (They were only allowing the residential project because they wanted the theme park.) The developer of that project ended up killing it because he claimed that he couldn't line up financing without building the housing first. The city (probably correctly) assumed that if the housing component was built first, the theme park would never materialize.
|14||Jim in Merced CA|
Mon 8/27/2012 4:57p
|Who wants to live right near a theme park?|
|15||Dr Hans Reinhardt|
Mon 8/27/2012 5:06p
|"Well that's one track in the greater bay area... Altamont closed... so do you think they could support another?"|
Doubtful, but then again this is Tracy we're talking about, which is much more convenient to Sacramento, Stockton and Modesto than it is to the greater Bay Area, especially the Wine Country. I'm actually more perplexed by the theme park. The two we have here barely get by, have had multiple owners, and threaten to close every few years.
|16||Dr Hans Reinhardt|
Mon 8/27/2012 5:08p
|"Gilroy Gardens is here -- in Gilroy. It's struggling. (Used to be Bonfante Gardens). Cedar Fair is running it"|
I always forget about that place. Have you been? Is it worthwhile? All I think about when someone says "Gilroy" is garlic.
Mon 8/27/2012 7:27p
|I got garlic chocolate in Gilroy. |
Tue 8/28/2012 10:46a
|Pipe dream hoping to attract investors, so goes for the grand slam.|
If built, it will go the way of the MGM Grand theme park.
All the con artists working in the theme park design business are salivating right now.
|19||Dr Hans Reinhardt|
Wed 8/29/2012 12:38p
|I'm always a little bit shocked by announcements like this one because theme parks seem so... so... 70s. I mean inside the US who would even consider investing in a theme park destination today? The country saturated with parks and most of them are expensive to operate and barely attract enough visitors to turn a profit. And to say that you're going to be bigger than Disneyland Resort? Puh-leeze.|
Wed 8/29/2012 12:49p
|I think a beautifully designed theme park somewhere could be done. No one really has ever tried very hard to one-up Disney (Universal's Harry Potter did, but few others have).|
It *could* be done. But it would take someone with far more creativity and vision than including a casino and race track and retail. And it's probably best to undersell and over-deliver a bit, not start off with talk of "dwarfing" Disneyland.