| # | Author | Message |
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| rasvar
Fri 7/16/2004 2:06p | Never said the were out of line with entertainment venues. They just skew the margins versus "real world" restuarants. |
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| vbdad55
Fri 7/16/2004 2:08p | <<Net Profit Margin (post-recession)
Full service upper scale: 4.9%
Full service family: 5.9%
Economy buffet/family: 2.7%
Fast food chains: 4.2%
As you can see, the type of table service restaurant that dominates at Disney, the "Full service family" restaurant has the HIGHEST profit margin of the four types.
"Economy buffet/family" which would represent the food courts had the LOWEST profit margin.<<
Great factoids there Roadtrip -- and I would agree with Rasvar that certainly the buffets at WDW are not economy buffett - so I would imagine those margins grow also - throw in a character or two and voila ! a goldmine
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| rasvar
Fri 7/16/2004 2:11p | Now probably the best deal on property is a family buffet at a reasonable price. The Trails End in Fort Wilderness. Probably the best buffet bargin on property. There are good values. I find ESPN Club is a good value too. |
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| rasvar
Fri 7/16/2004 2:22p | One question here, I know this is not a big deal to a lot of folks; but, I do like a little glass of wine with my dinner or a mixed drink. Can I get that in a glass without having to go to the pool bar? I'm not sure the pool bar would sell it in a glass anyways. Call me snobby; but I hate wine in plastic glasses. |
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| vbdad55
Fri 7/16/2004 2:25p | <<Never said the were out of line with entertainment venues. They just skew the margins versus "real world" restuarants<<
I know you didn't- I was complimenting you ( maybe my writing was bad) - in that you did not see it out of line-- sooo many comments on the board keep saying how out of line everyting is... you have it right ! |
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| Daddy Servo
Fri 7/16/2004 3:52p | As for the whole pricing discussion... I have worked concessions at concerts, stock car races, football games, and other events. I'd much rather buy a meal at WDW than I would at any one of those venues I mentioned. |
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| ChiMike
Sat 7/24/2004 7:34p | I'm simply sick of the repetitiveness of the hotel designs. How hard is it to build a aesthetically pleasing, with whimsy, value resort - without it being of the all-star "Super Size" mold?
It really is a little bit dim. Not up to Disney's unique nature.
On the same hand, I would be really disappointed if I saw another Lodge be built at WDW. One of the reasons I at least enjoy Portofino Bay and Hard Rock Hotel is that they at least go for a different look, even if their layouts are similar.
The Wilderness Lodge was the last hotel built on property that brought something fresh to the hotel offerings.
I would hope their next hotel take on another dimension and not simply be a carbon-copy of the Yacht Club, a Lodge, or a mod/value.
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Also, IMO, the moderates are the hotels that have the highest demand. I don't think their closure had anything to do with specific demand, but overall resort occupancy being down.
It seems that the moderates are booked the most, especially with discounts, because they really are the most for the $. Funny, I have never actually slept in one, just visited and observed prices. I think Disney doesn't go down the moderate path any longer because the money (relative revenue:relative expenses) is in the extreme accommodations, the values or the deluxes. |
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| WDW1974
Sun 7/25/2004 3:05a | There's plenty of money in all the categories. Disney is just intent on milking two huge markets -- the 'value' end where they lose out to off-property places. And the timeshare market -- where Hilton, Marriott, Starwood, Fairfield and Westgate have huge presences in Orlando.
But I wouldn't expect to see another moderate resort built at WDW at all. |
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| leemac
Sun 7/25/2004 4:48a | <<The Wilderness Lodge was the last hotel built on property that brought something fresh to the hotel offerings.>>
I'm not sure I could agree with that. I still think that WDW has built some awesome hotels since Wilderness. Animal Kingdom Lodge is simply spectacular on all fronts from its exquisite dining at Jiku and Boma to the wonderful architecture. It isn't just a Wilderness clone. I'd also add Coronado Springs to the mix as it is a lovely moderate facility.
Even as a DVC member myself, I hope that they don't take over the entire property as seems to be the case right now. We don't always stay at a DVC resort and like to visit new hotels and I'm sure there are plenty of others who agree. |
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| ChiMike
Sun 7/25/2004 9:46a | >>But I wouldn't expect to see another moderate resort built at WDW at all.<<
I agree. That is the point I was trying to make, but my reasoning wasn't as succinct as yours. |
