DCA, Future Expansion
Topic: Why is Disney's California Adventure a failure?

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181	ModHatter Thu 10/28/2004 1:22p	post 173 >>And, there was no argument being based on DCAs raft ride being better than Knotts raft ride.<< post 153 >>>>>Bigfoot Rapids - as mentioned earlier, just like GRR<<< oh come on Darkbeer...that's like saying a Ford is just lie a Ferrari...<< Post 155 >>But that comment about Bigfoot Rapids being just like GRR is one of the most ludicrous statements I've read...GRR is in every way, be it great or small, superior to Bigfoot Rapids. I'm flabergasted that you would even think of making such a statement even when wallowing in the throes of hyperbole. << Case closed.
182	oc_dean Thu 10/28/2004 1:24p	>>Yes, Grizzly should surpass EVERY raft ride built previously, but as you correctly point out, Shipwreck Rapids is just alot more fun and exciting.<< I had the pleasure of riding Shipwreck Rapids a few years ago ... and I can agree with that. For Disney ... a company all about SHOW .. there are so few VISUAL treats to enjoy along the GRR trough .. while Shipwreck Rapids has many *bells* and *whistles* that I did find rather entertaining. Much more exciting! And just because GRR has a mini drop in the middle (along with the 360 spin at the end) ... it means diddly to me ... like one time our raft was waiting for the gate to open at the first mini drop ... looking around .. and there's just NOTHING going on .. except rushing water down a boring trough. What a waste! Plus Disney did nothing to be able to re-tune the ride for the colder months .. much the same way TDL can turn down some of their splash in Splash Mountain. It frustates me .. GRR had enormous potential to be a Mega E for DCA .. and Disney missed the boat on this one! Such a disappointment!
183	Kar2oonMan Thu 10/28/2004 1:34p	>>It frustates me .. GRR had enormous potential to be a Mega E for DCA<< I enjoy the ride for what it is, but yes, i agree with you oc dean, so much more could have been done here. What's funny is that Bigfoot has no visible "Bigfoot" character, despite some set-up for that in the queue. There's even a tunnel at the end -- exactly where you'd expect Bigfoot to emerge at last and take a swipe at passing rafts. Years later, Grizzly River Rapids opens, and AWOL is a bear of any kind. Even if the appearance of a bear would have been too obvious (and innacurate, as grizzlies are extinct in the 'here and now'), why not some "fellow river runners" along the way: a kayaker struggling to overturn his boat, some campers waving to us, some woodland critters? Maybe a ranger warning us to be careful, or a rock climber that looses his footing over our heads and his ropes catching him just in time? Again, overall, it looks better than Bigfoot in several ways. The Bigfoot geysers aren't disguised to look like real geysers as they are on GRR. But GRR still has lots of room for improvement.
184	ModHatter Thu 10/28/2004 1:36p	Well, let's also keep in mind that this ride was originally designed as Lewis % Clark for a park that was set to open in 1998. I doubt very much that the designers of DCA did much updating from that design. In fact, some of the concept art for L&C shows what appear to be AA animals along the ride, so it seems that the DCA version actually cut elements from an old design, rather than adding and updating them.
185	planodisney Thu 10/28/2004 2:14p	Mod, this is my last post on this subject, but what on earth dont you get. I dont want you to bow to my opinion. We are not talking about opinion here. 1 more time. You said that people were comparing GRR to BFR to say that nothing in Knotts could fit into DCA. Please show me where someone did this so that I can immediately say that I was wrong and you were right. I never said there was no arguement about DCAs raft ride being better than Knotts raft ride, to defend the position that nothing in Knotts could fit into DCA, which is what you stated. Which was wrong.
186	planodisney Thu 10/28/2004 2:17p	Mod, I went back to look at my post #173 to make sure I didnt make a mistake. I think you misunderstood. I said that there was no argument being based on DCAs raft being better than Knotts. Not that there was no argument about the two rides. I honestly dont understand why you are not understanding the difference.
187	RoadTrip Thu 10/28/2004 2:43p	<<I dont want you to bow to my opinion>> But ModHatter wants you to bow to his opinion: <<Case closed.>> :lol :-)
188	ModHatter Thu 10/28/2004 2:50p	Okay... let me make this even more simple for you. Reread post 181. You said, and I requote: >>And, there was no argument being based on DCAs raft ride being better than Knotts raft ride.<< It was wrong, and I proved it. You may have mis-stated what you were trying to say, but that's not me miusunderstanding, that's you mis-stating. Big difference. Now, you have stated that you think things will fit into DCA that can't fit into Disneyland. Whether or not that was a joke, I don't care. As I have stated already, I don't think DCA should be a refuse pile of rides that can't fit into Disneyland. Here's a recap, in case you forgot post 122: >>Soarin, ToT, Animation, Muppets, ITTBAB, Alladin and MSEP could all be in DISNEYLAND. I actually think that GRR could absolutely go in also, but lets just leave it out for now. Now, please list the attractions at Knotts that would definitely be worthy of Disneyland, shouldnt be difficult since Knotts has plenty of that Disney magic also.<< You claim those DCA rides could be worthy of Disneyland. Then you begged for rides from Knott's that could be put in Disneyland, thus comparing DCA rides to Knott's rides in terms of which could be worthy of Disneyland. The argument, therefore, is that, because GRR is su superior to BFR, that GRR is worthy of being in a Disney park, while Knott's atraction is not. And that argument was in support of the larger argument of this thread. And speaking of the thread topic, let's get back on it.
189	planodisney Thu 10/28/2004 3:10p	Mod, what is so hard to understand. When you say that there was no arguement being based on DCAs raft being better than Knotts raft, means that there is no secondary argument being based on the other argument. In post #122 I did say that I thought some things fron Knotts could fit into DCA, and I wasnt joking. It was said to state that I felt in some areas and aspects that DCA was sub-par to Disneyland. I dont understand your point about that. I also dont think DCA should be a refuse pile, that was part of my point, that Knotts attractions would be at home in parts of DCA, and it shouldnt be that way. Look, I wasnt trying to show you up when I first said that I think you misunderstood what we were saying, Not sure why you took it that way. Just wanted to clarify the argument so that you wouldnt think that anyone was trying to say that no Knotts attractions could fit into DCA because GRR was better than BFR. The reazon that I wanted to clarify that to you, is because that would be a stupid argument to make and because nobody, weather you can admit it or not, made that argument.
190	tangaroa Thu 10/28/2004 3:14p	>Cool. One person's opinion. My opinion >is different. I don't know that either >of our opinions are 'better'. When does an opinion pass from being an opinion to being a fact? Some people have the opinion that the earth is round - some people believe it is flat? Is the opinion that the earth is flat just as valid as those that say the earth is round? There is a lot of evidence that DCA has failed in a lot of respects. Trying to prove otherwise by saying you like the park, or trying to dismiss facts as mere opinion does not make it any less of a failure.

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