DCA, Future Expansion
Topic: Why is Disney's California Adventure a failure?

#	Author	Message
231	DisneyMickey Sun 11/7/2004 5:13p	It is because it hardly has any holdiay decorations. hehe ;)
232	arstogas Mon 11/8/2004 9:04p	>>>I wonder some times, what kind of fun you might have if they did close the park, and return it to the land it once was.<<< Another woefully misbegotten statement, that fails to take in the context of the posters on this thread. Our capability lies in being able to enjoy the park's GOOD attributes, and to a lesser degree, its merely functional attributes, while STILL maintaining enough aesthetic wherewithal (not to mention intellectual honesty) to point out what is LACKING. Nobody on here, I think has ever said that EVERY component of DCA is wholesale awful, or a failure. The PARK as a whole is quantifiable by Disney management and by many fans as a failure in several respects, but its components have varying merits. Your (and others) continuing refusal to admit the ability of the parks' critics to both ENJOY DCA and remain unswayed by the milling-zombies-for-whom-Disney-can-do-no-wrong, gets quite tiresome, especially when it is brought into a thread whose stated PURPOSE was to make a point to that end. So either do the honorable thing and get it right, or just shut up, please. The sweeping generalizations of the parks critics are every bit as tired as your perception of the arguments AGAINST the park.
233	thenurmis Mon 11/8/2004 10:06p	<Kinda like the appeal of DCA's uninspired attractions> I am amazed that you find no inspiration in the attractions or "lands of DCA. Can you not see the "hollywood inspiration, or the wine country inspired veiw? Even if you don't like the concept, I find it a bit stagering that you can't see the inspiration that the park was drawn from. <Your (and others) continuing refusal to admit the ability of the parks' critics to both ENJOY DCA and remain unswayed by the milling-zombies-for-whom-Disney-can-do-no-wrong, gets quite tiresome> I don't recall ever saying that all must love the park, or even like the park, hell I don't care if you hate the park. I don't recall ever saying that you can't find flaws in the place and injoy going. In fact i have posted many times that there are short comings to the place, yet I still injoy going. We are all allowed to take the park for what it is to us. If you veiw it as a failure, yet still go and injoy your self , great, happy for you. If I veiw it as a good park getting better all the time, and injoy my self while there I'm happy for me. I have stated the most of the "complaints" I have read on this board I have heard befor,and find them a bit boring. I do have a hard time understanding the bitterness directed at the place some of the time. Is it odd to think that some one who constantly posts on the flaws of the place would not want to go? It seems that they are trying to convence others that the place is not worth the money, and or a failure. Why would anyone assume that they them selves would spend their money to go. Yet that is the nature of some people, they complain about the things they injoy. what ever turns their crank. DCA HAS failed in reaching it's orig. guest quota. It has had rides that did not meet the expectations of the guests. It would have a hard time surviving with out Disneyland "holding it's hand". Still I have a hard time tagging the whole park as a failure, and I disagree with the concept that it IS a complete failure. In fact I do beleave that it will grow into a great park attracting near as many people to the county as it's big brother. I do not understand the tone of your posts at times, maybe it's all the big words punctuated with the "shut up's". But I am developing a great curiousity in what wonderfull rants you will post next.
234	onlyme Mon 11/8/2004 10:26p	arstogas.....what gets tiresome is the continual bashing of DCA by 'Disney Experts', who sit at home on a computer. While you may be correct in your assertations that most are not 'bashing' the entire park, it's clearly obvious that there are very few attractions/areas/walkways/foods...etc at DCA that are not condemned on a continual basis. To me, not that it matters; DCA is ok and I enjoy spending a couple of hours at THAT park each visit to DLR. I'm not an expert; I just enjoy some attractions, and bypass others.
235	arstogas Mon 11/8/2004 11:10p	>>><Kinda like the appeal of DCA's uninspired attractions> >>>I am amazed that you find no inspiration in the attractions or "lands of DCA.<<< Sigh. There you go again. Did I say ALL of the attractions? Did I? Why assume that? It's chronic with you. There's NO reason to assume that, particularly given the body of my last post, which apparently you didn't take the time to read in its entirety, for you missed the whole POINT. >>>I don't recall ever saying that all must love the park, or even like the park, hell I don't care if you hate the park.<<< Wow. Let's try Post 210, which I was referring to in the first place: >>>I wonder some times, what kind of fun you might have if they did close the park, and return it to the land it once was.<<< This assumes that the fun we get in DCA comes ONLY from criticizing it, which is boneheaded and typical of your comments.
236	WorldDisney Mon 11/8/2004 11:36p	Guys, I guess I will never understand this. If you LIKE the park, think it's 100% sucessful, GREAT!!! However, if you DON'T think it's sucessful and want to talk about it (yes, even for the 275th time), then well, I think that's who the thread IS for, right? (Not to say you can't debate it, but I'm hearing people saying they are being told they don't have the right to like it and I don't think that's what the post is about. It's about the people that DON'T like it and expres why THEY don't like it.)
237	ModHatter Tue 11/9/2004 12:13a	Thank you. When I saw a topic about "What do you like at DCA," I knew that, while there are SOME things I like there, I would not be able to enter such a thread without discussing the many things I do NOT like, and I elected not to post there. Debate is fine. But, coming into a thread and say "Even though I had never read a single post in the thread, I decided it was a thread bashing DCA, so I'm just gonna bash everyone for posting here," that's just unnecessary and diminishes anything of value that might be said by such a person. Just as people are entitled to like the park, others are entitled not to like it. And, with the park underperforming, it is important to understand that some people have legitimate reasons for not liking it, that can be addressed to making it a better park in the eyes of more people.
238	oc_dean Tue 11/9/2004 1:01a	>>I do have a hard time understanding the bitterness directed at the place some of the time. << That shouldn't be a surprise (especially for us natives) who've been watching Disney build, undeniably, some of the greatest new additions to the Disney Co. in '71,'82,'83,'89,'92,'98, and '01 (TDS). And after all that, with incredible anticipation built up over time ... DCA is the best they can do (?). Actually .. I wouldn't call it 'bitterness' as I call it: Holding Disney to the hot coals till they re-learn a motto that put in business in the first place: "Quality will out"
239	crapshoot Tue 11/9/2004 8:41a	<<Nobody on here, I think has ever said that EVERY component of DCA is wholesale awful, or a failure. The PARK as a whole is quantifiable by Disney management and by many fans as a failure in several respects, but its components have varying merits.>> I am the rare individual who honestly believes that every element of DCA fails miserably. Now before some of you get your undies in a bunch, I am not blindly dissing DCA for the sake of. It is through my (unqualified) assessments and lengthy studies of themeparks, amusement parks, aquariums, museums, art galleries, nature reserves and public spaces of every type that I say this. Nothing, and I mean nothing, can make up for the critical flaws found in area development. And DCA is one complete Area Development nightmare. In regards to the generously wide parade route. Yes it seems wider than Main St. USA, but it really isn't. True there are no sidewalks, but because those defining boundries don't exist, they could never organize guests nearly as efficently for parades as on Main St. They can only get about 1/4 the number of guests organized to actually watch a parade as a result. Those numbers make the original DCA parades way too expensive to operate. But curiously, the parade corridor was DCA's biggest design selling point. And it actually drives the rest of the area development for the park. Probobly due to original cost issues, most of the space within DCA is completely wasted. There is no logical guest flow as a result. Had the designers truly maximized space, then there would be an inherient Disneyesque charm throughout. Instead, there exists some of the worst possible solutions for building placement imaginable. Case and point: The whole nod to San Francisco is deplorable. It is useless, lacks all creativity and can not be enjoyed in any capacity. And I find that to be the case for all areas of DCA on one level or another. Proper area development, guest flow, sight lines, etc. is essential to all successful public areas. These are the primal reasons why guests will return for other visits and, more importantly, pass the positive word along to others. While normally an unconscious understanding by the majority of guests, creative area development becomes the single most powerful element for success, especially for themeparks. They either have a feeling of being comfortable and welcome in the place or they are driven away without really knowing why exactly. It is of my opinion that there is no true fix for DCA without sweeping alterations to the core area development. That may be a ridiculous solution in many of your eyes, but thankfully we don't have to see eye to eye in these discussions. Crapshoot Out!
240	onlyme Tue 11/9/2004 4:02p	>>undies in a bunch...<< Sorry crapshoot, but I believe the correct term to be: '...get your panties in a bunch', not undies;)

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