DCA, Future Expansion
Topic: Why is Disney's California Adventure a failure?

#	Author	Message
351	Mickeymouseclub Thu 10/20/2005 12:35p	I love DCA but I think it is turning into the "What to Do with the modern Disney characters Park".
352	crapshoot Thu 10/20/2005 1:21p	<<Roadtrip I agree PP is lovely at night and riding Screamin at night is awesome with all of the lights.>> Too bad it looks like crap during the day from either inside or outside of the park.
353	BrnardM Thu 10/20/2005 1:43p	Roadtrip, you have well showcased some of the triumphs of DCA's design. Would that the examples you have shown be true for the entire park. The main problem as with these is cohesion, a sort of story if you will. take the corridore from the enterance plaza to Paradice Pier. There's a beautiful waterfall, but I mean 'what'! It's just really haphazard. There's also a level of interactivity that seems to be missing. Yes it is a fledgling park, but is seems you have to wallk and walk from one ride to the next. Like one of you guys said, phasades that are like they are. I really like DCA, honestlly, but as some of you have said, there's not much there to keep my from just stopping by. Give it a purpose. My $.2!
354	Darkbeer Thu 10/20/2005 1:55p	And it is a strange walk too... Once I enter, I really have three choices, head left thru the Arch, and Hollywood Backlot, or make one of two right turns, the one heads to Condor Flats, the other is the main Entertainment Corridor. Walking down that, you don't see an entrance to an attraction until you get to Paradise Pier. It's Tough to be a Bug's entrance is hidden behind fencing and shrubs, and was even worse until they built the new archway for the Flik's Fun Fair area. But basically, you just walk and walk.....
355	crapshoot Thu 10/20/2005 3:35p	<<But basically, you just walk and walk.....>> ....until you bump into the Cove Bar and then there you are.
356	ElKay Thu 10/20/2005 5:51p	IMO, individual parts of DCA are pretty, it doesn't compare to the overall beauty of DL. I agree that the main drag of HPBL is nice, however it cannot compare with the vibe of Main St. with scores more shops, greater detail, live music, and the interactivity of the MS vehicles. I don't care that much about USH, but at least they have actors dressed up as iconic Hollywood characters that you can interact with. Having Disney cartoon characters don't really fit in that enviroment. Also just head a short block off the main drag and everything falls to pieces. I'm not sure how TDA can improve the Backlot, but the original area around Muppets and SSL to Hollywood and Dine was pretty dreary. The main failing in the planning of DCA HPBL was that essentially studios are boring, industrial spaces--it's the people and the stuff that goes on INSIDE the soundstages that is interesting. The one neat thing that Disney learned when the built WDSP was that they built their Hollywood street INSIDE a soundstage, so you go from the real world to a Disneyesque movie world through the doors of a soundstage. Roadtrip didn't include the parade corridor that links the Sunshine Plaza to PP. It's got to be one of the most uninteresting main walkway in any Disney Park. I think the Big Thunder trail is much more interesting that DCA's main drag. Route66 and SF are likewise pretty uninteresting. Condor Flats have some pretty nicely themed buildings, expept for Soarin's Hanger, but the overall "land" isn't that interesting. Fly 'n Buy's obscure backstory of aeronautical mechanics moonlighting as hot rod fans is really a stretch, IMO. I wouldn't shed too many tears if 75% of DCA was bulldozed, keeping a handful of the better themed buildings intact.
357	BrnardM Thu 10/20/2005 7:56p	<<Condor Flats have some pretty nicely themed buildings, expept for Soarin's Hanger, but the overall "land" isn't that interesting. Fly 'n Buy's obscure backstory of aeronautical mechanics moonlighting as hot rod fans is really a stretch, IMO>> There's so much story potential for that kind of land. Instead, Condor Flatts is just kind of squeezed in. I like Condor flatts mostly because it represents the balance I think DCA needs: a little whimsy based in reality.
358	deadmentellnotales Fri 10/21/2005 10:16a	yes there are some areas that have great details, as i alluded to before, areas like the hollywood section, which i think are worthy of disney, yet so many other sections are simply not, there are many large "placements" like airplanes and the like that while they add a touch are still lacking in the areas around them, also check out the wharf area, then take a look around fishermans wharf in S.F. or cannery row in Monterey and tell me if they have the detailing that one would expect of a disney theme park. The one saving grace of DCA is the night, when all is lit up unfortunately many times the park closes early and your shortchanged. Also whats up with commercial tie in's. I didn't pay all the money I have to come to a park just to tour a tortilla factory or a bread company, it would be the same as if Disney back in 1955 set up a tour of pg&e and how they work, whats the purpose? how is a tortilla company or a sour dough bread company park worthy?
359	RoadTrip Fri 10/21/2005 10:49a	<<Also whats up with commercial tie in's. I didn't pay all the money I have to come to a park just to tour a tortilla factory or a bread company, it would be the same as if Disney back in 1955 set up a tour of pg&e and how they work, whats the purpose? how is a tortilla company or a sour dough bread company park worthy?>> Disney did just that. Early Tomorrowland attractions: Monsanto Hall of Chemistry (1955) Aluminum Hall of Fame (1955) Dutch Boy Color Gallery (1956) Crane Company Bathroom of Tomorrow (1956) Monsanto House of the Future (1957)
360	deadmentellnotales Fri 10/21/2005 11:32a	Disney did just that. Early Tomorrowland attractions: Monsanto Hall of Chemistry (1955) Aluminum Hall of Fame (1955) Dutch Boy Color Gallery (1956) Crane Company Bathroom of Tomorrow (1956) Monsanto House of the Future (1957) I stand corrected. Many thanks. ;) Dutch Boy color gallery? Alluminum Hall of Fame? All I can say is it's a good thing Disney way his own only competition. P.S. Where are those attractions now? It stands to reason that if you look back at the sustainability of those kinds of attractions you wouldn't put them in, but rather spend the money/space on something that would generate more business. I know that these tie in generate cash flow for Disney but at the expense of the tourist's. I rather see a tour of the innovations in flight hosted by Howard Hughes Company. At least it would be more specific to the area, and it could have some sort of flight similator of the different models as they evolved over the years. or a tribute to the Pan am Airplanes that flew out of S.F. to hawaii and Japan. Anything but the wonderful world of tortillas and bread...

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