DCA, Future Expansion
Topic: Why is Disney's California Adventure a failure?

#	Author	Message
381	dshyates Tue 10/25/2005 8:59p	And please, can anyone explain the themes of DCAs 2 signiture attractions (Soarin' and Screamin'). I know Screamin' is themed to look like a generic roller coaster. And Soarin' is a hang glider that appearently flys through the many invisible worm holes that exists over California or something like that. Right?
382	RoadTrip Tue 10/25/2005 9:04p	<<I know they are worth taking your one week of vacation time and a couple of years of savings to fly across the country for a world class experience only to find a portable mad mouse coaster and a carnival swing. So how do they try and fix it? Balloon spinner and bumper cars? How FRICKIN' STUPID do they think I am.>> You seem to be forgetting (as all DCA bashers do): Soarin' Screamin' Animation Building Muppets 3D Tough to be a Bug Grizzly River Run Tower of Terror That is a lineup of sever very impressive "major attractions". Now if you want to blow them off just because they exist somewhere else, that is your choice. But NEVER claim that DCA has nothing more than mad mouse coasters, carnival swings, balloon spinners and bumper cars. How FRICKIN' STUPID do you think we are?
383	RoadTrip Tue 10/25/2005 9:12p	<<I know Screamin' is themed to look like a generic roller coaster.>> Screamin' is supposed to be reminiscent of the wooden coasters that existed in various seaside California parks. Seeing how Paradise Pier is supposed to represent one of those seaside parks, Soarin's inclusion there seems pretty reasonable to me. Your problem with it would be??? <<And Soarin' is a hang glider that appearently flys through the many invisible worm holes that exists over California or something like that. Right?>> It simulates the sensation of hang gliding while giving guests a view of California's varied landscape and sights. Sure, you go from one place to the next far more quickly than you ever could in real life. Just like Jungle Curise, right? Your problem with it would be??
384	jaycub Tue 10/25/2005 9:13p	Thank you Road Trip!!
385	dshyates Tue 10/25/2005 9:32p	"But NEVER claim that DCA has nothing more than mad mouse coasters, carnival swings, balloon spinners and bumper cars." I never said that was all they had, just that they are trying to pass those particular offerings off as worthy of a modern world-class destination resort. And they, my friend, are certainly not. Soarin'- Thematically muddled to the point of "Ohhh pretty" Screamin'- Great coaster......for little girls and grandmas. Muppets- Tired 5 years before it opened TTBAB- Solid Disney magic shoehorned in along with the worst "land" to every hit a Disney park. ToT and Animation- Both VERY well done. GRR- Its what a raft ride would be like if you forgot to sprinkle it with pixie dust. I don't hate the park, but it isn't yet up to the standards of "Destination Resort". Which is where they were obviously trying to take the place. What with upgrading all the hotels and adding a dining, shopping and entertainment complex. They even put the word "resort" in the new title. If it were a regional park owned by SF or Paramount outside of Branson, it would be fine. It would be a sidebar to a Branson vacation. But almost have of the DLR can't be a sidebar to a visit TO the DLR.
386	dshyates Tue 10/25/2005 9:35p	"But almost have of the DLR can't be a sidebar to a visit TO the DLR." Here let me try that again. But almost half of the DLR can't be a sidebar to a vacation TO the DLR.
387	RoadTrip Tue 10/25/2005 10:04p	I can understand why you might feel like you do regarding some of the attractions (though I disagree with your opinion). What I don't understand is: <<GRR- Its what a raft ride would be like if you forgot to sprinkle it with pixie dust.>> GRR is by far the best raft ride I've ever experienced and puts Kali River Rapids at the AK to shame. What do you think it lacks?
388	MisterToad Tue 10/25/2005 11:55p	^^^^^^^^ It lacks a horrible Popeye theme.;)
389	crapshoot Wed 10/26/2005 2:49a	<<You seem to be forgetting (as all DCA bashers do): Soarin' Screamin' Animation Building Muppets 3D Tough to be a Bug Grizzly River Run Tower of Terror >> To me it is amazing just how limited in scope each one of the Sacred Seven actually is from a show quality standpoint. I know that I won't ride Screamin' near as many times as I will ride Space, Matterhorn or Thunder Mt solely due to the lack of themed immersiveness and visual story elements missing from the show. I know that I won't sit and watch ITTBAB or Muppets near as many times as I did watch Country Bear Jamboree or Great Moments With Mr. Lincoln due to the energy the Bears eminated or due to the emotional qualities that Lincoln gave out. In a nut shell, I am totally amazed that posters defend the Sacred Seven and yet, seemingly not understand the culture of Disneyland's popularity over DCA's. The majority of Disneyland's attractions simply have qualities that endure guests to them. Most were overnight success stories, like Indy or even Splash. In other words, it isn't necessary for them to have to grow on the public. For they were top quality from the moment they opened and guests responded instantly. It really isn't hard to qualify the differences in unbiased examinations. Physical differences exist between attractions of either park and are impossible to refute. And it is those differences that "apologists" ignore and blame other sectors for, for the weaknesses found in DCA's attractions. Their weakness is the biggest issue that befalls DCA today , not inclement weather or national tragedys, just sloppy execution.
390	WorldDisney Wed 10/26/2005 5:53a	<<In a nut shell, I am totally amazed that posters defend the Sacred Seven and yet, seemingly not understand the culture of Disneyland's popularity over DCA's. The majority of Disneyland's attractions simply have qualities that endure guests to them. Most were overnight success stories, like Indy or even Splash. In other words, it isn't necessary for them to have to grow on the public. For they were top quality from the moment they opened and guests responded instantly. It really isn't hard to qualify the differences in unbiased examinations. Physical differences exist between attractions of either park and are impossible to refute.>> Yes, yes, yes!!!! Exactly! Don't get me wrong, that usual list of DCA attractions that get trouted out here the same way Bush reminds us everyday we are in Iraq to defend freedom IS a good assortment of rides, but even the best ride there can't match most of DL's top rides and honestly no where close to the same league. Yes, they are decent rides, but the appeal for most of them are limited compared to DL's. I know, its just an opinion, but it certainly seems to fall in the majority ;). DCA's best rides (not counting TOT since it came from MGM anyway) all speak of a lower Disney quality in terms of story, queues (which where most of the story is told), uniqueness and just plain Disney magic. GRR is nice, but come on, the average guest couldn't tell you the difference between that raft ride and the other 3 that's already in the area with MM, Knotts and Sea World. Yeah, for the Disney uber-geek, we can argue the plusses, but for the majority of the population, just another raft ride and how can you blame them for thinking that way? Of course, when you are dealing with just OK rides in a less-than-innovative park to begin with, its understandable how the entire place can lose the appeal. For **ME**, the best compliment I can give a Disney park is if you took out every single attraction in that park, could it still be a fun/interesting place to visit? For DL, a solid YES!! If there were no rides there to speak of, I would spend a lot less time in the place lol, but I would without a doubt want to explore and just be immersed in the place. Hands down I can say the same for TDS, AK (although it ONLY has 3 rides now lol), Epcot and all the MK parks except HKDL (just too small). Obviously, I can't include DCA on that list personnally, but if you can, more power to you :D. Now, I'm not talking about the average guest obviously, I'm talking just crazy Disney fan. DCA just doesn't have that appeal for me as it doesn't a lot of folks since most people on average spend only 3-4 hours the place. SOO, the rides have to overcompensate for what the park itself lacks for in appeal and excitement. Obviously, since it was all made out of the same fabric, you can't expect to have stunning, great, mindbending rides in a place that manage to make a real and vibrant place like San Francisco stale and boring. That just isn't going to happen. Like I said, what the park does have is good, but obviously nothing close to the type of attractions (sans TOT and Animation) that DL has. I doubt in 5 years, I'm going to really be all that interested in the 3D films since I usually only do them now to kill time or take someone who hasn't done them yet. If GRR was dismantled tomorrow, wouldn't shed a tear. Would certainly miss Screamin, but seriously, I can get the same thrill at about 20 other parks now. Soarin will be the ONLY ride that I would want to see make through the renovation ax. Now, I think about the top 7 at DL and believe me, its a completely different opinion.

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