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Topic: Slightly Used Wand For Sale ...

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221	MPierce Fri 6/15/2007 4:42p	>> It's sad how the attention span of Americans seem to be diminishing. << What did you say?
222	Spirit of 74 Fri 6/15/2007 9:33p	<<Spirit, a torrential downpour forced me into China just the other day. It's not bad at all. I couldn't see myself doing the full length of the old show, but it was certainly entertaining. I fidget in Canada, and i'm not the only one. >> Again. It's all about instant gratification. And Epcot simply doesn't work as a park of 90 second thrill rides. So taking movies like Wonders of China, chopping half off, adding some new footage and naming it Reflections of China just doesn't work for me. If people can't watch a 20-minute film of amazing scenery without being bored than maybe they should stick to Six Flags. Or just ride Space Mountain 12 times in one day. I also think Disney is at least partly to blame here. ... They always used to talk up to their guests, to try and educate a bit while entertaining a lot. Now, I think they just use the excuse 'X-Box generation, instant gratification, yada, yada, yada' as reason for WalMarting their product. <<It's sad how the attention span of Americans seem to be diminishing.>> We've become a WalMart nation in many ways. I want it now. I want it quick. And I sure don't want to pay for it (or much). It's sad Disney has bought into that.
223	Spirit of 74 Fri 6/15/2007 9:35p	<<We already lost a good attraction because of it (Timekeeper) and it is only a matter of time before another is gone, ah?>> Yeah, Goof and you know something? Monsters Laugh Floor is pulling in fewer guests than Timekeeper did when it was open regularly. A fact. So Disney spent millions for a lousy, ill-fitting attraction just to let fat, lazy folks get to sit? Sure seems like it.
224	Spirit of 74 Fri 6/15/2007 9:41p	<<And Spirit of 74, that EPCOT Center suite of songs -- amazing. And great theater too. Like an overture for a musical -- which introduces the show's songs to the audience so that when they hear them in the show they seem familiar -- the EPCOT Center suite did the same thing. It's that kind of foresight and attention to detail that made Disney theme park so special.>> Yeah, Jim, you said it. Everything about EPCOT Center flowed together. It was a perfect execution of a grand concept/idea. And it worked fine ... for about a decade. Then it needed money, serious money, to keep it relevant. At the time Euro Disney was struggling, Frank Wells passed away, Eisner bought the network he always coveted, Disney's America took his attention stateside ... and what happened to EPCOT? It got old ... some of it got stale. And when they decided to start making changes they went the pop culture route ... Cranium Command (best of the lot), Honey, I Shrunk the Audience, Innoventions, Ellen's Energy Adventure, Circle of Life etc ... and Epcot became more of a stew of things all vying for attention. Now, you enter Epcot and you can be greeted by PoC and Peter Pan music, as was done for the Flower and Garden show. There's just no cohesion anymore.
225	Spirit of 74 Fri 6/15/2007 9:43p	<<I don't know for sure that the song isn't used (I suspect not as that is the trend and it is a completely new movie and score so would not necessarily be appropriate to hamstrung the new creative team with a hangover).>> Maybe you can suggest they play it in the pre/post show at the very least :-) <<I'm not also sure of the length but will check.>> Thanks!
226	Spirit of 74 Fri 6/15/2007 9:45p	<<Any word on the aweful purple netting behind Spaceship Earth?? Will it also be going the way of the dodo when the wand leaves??? That stuff really blocks the views of Spaceship Earth from the fountain plaza.>> I believe the Millennium Treatment Package (as I like to call it) will be heading out as well.
227	leemac Fri 6/15/2007 11:11p	<<I also think Disney is at least partly to blame here. ... They always used to talk up to their guests, to try and educate a bit while entertaining a lot. Now, I think they just use the excuse 'X-Box generation, instant gratification, yada, yada, yada' as reason for WalMarting their product.>> It seems rather circular to blame Disney for providing exactly what guests what. Virtually all of WS's attractions were under-performing except for Maelstrom. People wanted a different experience from Epcot in the '90s/'00s and that is what they got. In the most part it has been successful like Test Track, Soarin', The Seas with Nemo and Friends and Mission:SPACE (and in terms of throughput it is successful even if it doesn't post 90-120 minute wait times). Other times it has not (Imagination!). But I also don't see how Epcot is a WalMart-ed product (a phrase I detest anyhow). Nothing in that park is a clone except for Soarin'. Everything else is unique and that continues to be the case with the new product like SSE, Mexico, Canada and American Adventure. The days of edutainment (a ridiculous term that many of the imagineers that worked on the orginal project hate) are long gone. I'm glad. Being preached to on rides like Universe of Energy was plain awful. 42 minutes of pain. You might not like Ellen's Energy Adventure but is does manage to be a better entertainment experience whilst maintain a show script that shows the problems we face today.
228	TDLFAN Sat 6/16/2007 2:41a	There is nothing about clueless presidents or wars in Ellen's Universe last time I checked.
229	vbdad55 Sat 6/16/2007 8:33a	<It seems rather circular to blame Disney for providing exactly what guests what. Virtually all of WS's attractions were under-performing except for Maelstrom. People wanted a different experience from Epcot in the '90s/'00s and that is what they got. In the most part it has been successful like Test Track, Soarin', The Seas with Nemo and Friends and Mission:SPACE (and in terms of throughput it is successful even if it doesn't post 90-120 minute wait times). Other times it has not (Imagination!). < not being an 'insider' in this discussion I can only say Lee that yes I do believe that Disney has given today's crowd ( sans x % of us) exactly what they want, not the reverse in that they tried to change what people wanted. As with anything, this doesn't mean all of us will ever agree that this is for the better. But then, I prefer an art museum to Kiddieland, I prefer an Aquarium to a carnival, and I prefer a planetarium to Dave & Buster's -- I realize I am probably the odd one now. I never felt like I was being preached to and viewed EPCOT as the a cut above all other 'amusement/theme' parks from an intellectual standpoint. I still think it is, just not like it used to be .... The masses are going to get what they want, that's marketing...I understand that. I also would think it is disingenuous to list MS as a success when the basis for rating removed attractions was that they were underperforming.....I can't believe MS is not underperforming everyone's expectations who approved putting that attraction in, and predict that it too will be as poorly attended or likely worse when it is as old as WoM, Horizons and JiYI were when hatcheted. I know some people don't like TT ( I actually do ) - but it has never underperformed from an attendance standpoint and has been around twice as long as MS. just my opinion of course....
230	Skellington88 Sat 6/16/2007 9:38a	M:S is not a sucessful attraction sorry. It does not draw the crowds an e-ticket should and it has caused bad publicity for disney time and time again. On top of that the attraction itself is nothing to right home about with themeing virutally non-existant creating a bare bone experince that climaxes in you sitting in a claustrophobic box watching cheap archacic CGI graphics that supposedly simulate "space travel". Star Tours did a far superior job 20 years earlier.

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