Walt Disney World General
Topic: Slightly Used Wand For Sale ...

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61	bayrr326 Tue 6/5/2007 6:18p	One of my complaints about WDWMagic is that anytime you complain about things at WDW you are tagged as some nostalgic fanboy not someone who expects more from Disney since they used to give you more bang for your buck and didn't allow the parks to get so runned down at times. Of course god forbid you bring up the wand. I really hope it comes down just so it will shut up some of the naysayers on that site.
62	danyoung Tue 6/5/2007 6:58p	>As of this fall, that hideous monstrosity that has tarnished the grandeur of SSE since 1999 will be headed to the trash heap of history.< Spirit, some days you're just my general all around hero. And then some days you really come through and make a difference to an ol' Texan! Now I have yet another reason to look forward to my next trip in December!
63	danyoung Tue 6/5/2007 7:08p	>The point I was making was that I don't believe Walt would have compromised his dreams to make some corporate bean counter happy...< Who said the Wand was in any way one of Walt's dreams? The Wand was a HUGE mistake, and finally someone with some decision making power is acknowledging it. Nowhere in Spirit's post did it say that Seimens in any way had any kind of veto power over the wand. They simply expressed their dislike, and that combined with the almost universal disdain for the wand that you can find on any web site finally changed some corporate minds. It's a win for Seimens, and a huge win for us. And to say that Walt wasn't influenced by corporate desires is to show a complete lack of understanding of early Disneyland history. You can bet that Small World never would have been built if UNICEF didn't like the design. Nor would we have the Carousel of Progress if GE hadn't given it the OK. Disney parks and Walt have a long history of cooperation with corporations. And if someone is going to kick in the massive amounts of cash that Seimens has, they sure oughtta get something that they're happy with. Just as long as the Imagineers are still in the design seat, I'm a happy guy.
64	RoadTrip Tue 6/5/2007 7:28p	Why no Beastly Kingdom? Because it doesn't fit in, that's why. Already 'Camp Minnie Mickey' and Dino-Rama stick out like a sore thumb. The Beastly Kingdom would be just as bad, but on a much larger (and more costly) scale. Thank God someone at Imagineering (perhaps Rohde himself?) realized that first ideas are not always the best ideas, and mercifully pulled the plug.
65	plpeters70 Tue 6/5/2007 8:04p	"Because it doesn't fit in, that's why." Wait, so we have two real world continents, a Dinosaur museum and carnival, a summer camp, a conservation area and a tropical oasis. How exactly does a land of mythical animals not fit in with the rest of that hodge-podge?? If you ask me, Animal Kingdom is already a mixed-up mess as far as "land" themes go -- I don't think Beastly Kingdom would have made it any worse.
66	DlandDug Tue 6/5/2007 10:00p	>>You can bet that Small World never would have been built if UNICEF didn't like the design.<< Actually, Pepsi was the World's Fair sponsor of iasw. UNICEF was their beneficiary. But I understand what you are driving at. Based on my understanding, during the time that Walt at the helm, corporations wanted to be associated with the good will that the Disney name had generated over the years. For the most part, sponsors would go along with whatever the creative minds at WED devised. Today this is, sadly, not exactly the case. As the Disney "brand" has been eroded, sponsors have proven to be quite fickle. So corporations may, indeed, have much more say when it comes to creative and aesthetic decisions.
67	DlandDug Tue 6/5/2007 10:15p	>>Wait, so we have two real world continents, a Dinosaur museum and carnival, a summer camp, a conservation area and a tropical oasis. How exactly does a land of mythical animals not fit in with the rest of that hodge-podge?? If you ask me, Animal Kingdom is already a mixed-up mess as far as "land" themes go...<< I respectfully disagree. Animal Kingdom has a clearly delineated theme. Africa, Asia, the Oasis, and Conservation Station are obvious. The camp represents another aspect of the animal world, one that many American children find quite familiar. Dinoland deals with prehistoric animals, albeit in an unorthodox (ie: non-stuffy) way. Beastly Kingdom would simply present another aspect of the animal world, specifically the realm of animals in myth and legend.
68	mousermerf Wed 6/6/2007 12:23a	Let us hope the wand dies a horrible painful death.
69	mickey_ring Wed 6/6/2007 2:39a	So now any Epcot SSE merchandise from 1999 to 2007 will be Wand-era collector's items... ?
70	Goofyernmost Wed 6/6/2007 5:04a	>>>And to say that Walt wasn't influenced by corporate desires is to show a complete lack of understanding of early Disneyland history. You can bet that Small World never would have been built if UNICEF didn't like the design. Nor would we have the Carousel of Progress if GE hadn't given it the OK. Disney parks and Walt have a long history of cooperation with corporations. And if someone is going to kick in the massive amounts of cash that Seimens has, they sure oughtta get something that they're happy with. Just as long as the Imagineers are still in the design seat, I'm a happy guy.<<< And to think that Walt was CREATIVELY influenced by corporate money is a vast overstatement. He took on assignments for a reason. The worlds fair was a corporate financed venture into a new area of animatronics that Walt was interested in. They asked for his creative ability to put the message across that they wanted to showcase. Yes, it had a commercial side and I am sure that Ford or GE would not have been willing to spend the money if their product were not showcased. That isn't the point I am making nor is it relevant to the present day happenings of the Disney Corp. That is because no one but Walt really knew what motivated him But since, historically speaking, he almost lost his empire many times over because of his stubborn insistence that things be done his way, I doubt that he would have allowed Pepsi or any other sponsor to determine the scope of his imagination. He was commissioned to CREATE an attraction based around the general concept of their needs but I am as sure as I am sitting here that they had no more influence over the end design the he had of telling them how to make Pepsi, Cars or appliances. The wand is not his creation it is just an example of how a design of the Disney Group can be, if it is true, abandoned because one corporation doesn't like it. And don't kid yourself. The majority of the people that post on these things on these Disney boards might find the Wand a mistake, you can take to the bank that the vast majority of the visitors couldn't care less and have absolutely no opinion one way or the other. Therefore, it is not the public demanding the removal, it is one single corporation that somehow thinks that the wand is not appropriate. Why doesn't that scare you? How easy would it have been for Seimans to say, we don't like the show in SSE so if you want our money you need to gut it and put in, oh, I don't know, a pooh playground maybe? If all of you can live with that, fine, I will stay with Disney for as long as they do what is needed to make me happy. If they don't they they will lose my financial support. I'm sure many an executive lays awake at night worrying about that prospect.

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