Tokyo Disneyland
Topic: Tokyo DisneySea- Is Soarin' still coming?

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91	Spirit of 74 Thu 8/23/2007 11:08p	Everyone is biased. It's part of the human condition. And it can result from working closely with people. I know I give some people I work with a bit more leeway in judging their work because ... well, they're quality people (the most important thing in anything IMHO)! I am sure Lee is biased. He can't help but be. Just like I am. Just like SuperDry or TDLFAN or Mr X or anyone ... I feel I can seperate the Imagineer from the project as well. I think Joe Rohde is the closest thing to an artistic genius WDI has now. I love Everest. But it has a few flaws ... some that could easily be fixed. I don't hide that from Joe. And I happen to strongly dislike one of his Epcot projects, Maelstrom, although to be fair ... a lot of the budget was slashed on that. I like and respect Tim Delaney. Yet I can't believe the same man who brought DLP's amazing Discoveryland to life, also is largely responsible for Paradise Pier at DCA. Again, I know they were different circumstances, but one is just so amazing and the other ... well, to be kind (and in case Tim's reading) isn't. I also like Rick Rothchild personally, but have major issues with many of his projects ... Stitch's Great Escape is embarrassingly bad to me ... and I love Stitch. I also think Tony Baxter and Tom Fitzgerald (the dueling divas of Glendale) to be very talented. I happen to think very little of either of them both personally and professionally. So we all have biases. I get the feeling Lee doesn't get treated as well by the OLC as he does by TWDC. Does that contaminate his opinions? I can't say. I have been treated like absolute dirt by some Disney execs (no, I won't name them here. They're insecure enough to be reading this anyway) at two of the three resorts I visit regularly, but that doesn't poison my views on the resorts (the people are a different story!) I think I beat Lee on the name-dropping ... but at least I didn't do it in that oh-so pompous British way ;-)
92	leemac Fri 8/24/2007 2:36a	<<I get the feeling Lee doesn't get treated as well by the OLC as he does by TWDC.>> Honestly that couldn't be further from the truth. OLC are very gracious and a tremendous organization to work with. Considerably more flexible and accommodating than TWDC to be honest.
93	WorldDisney Fri 8/24/2007 6:34a	<<Disneyland's version suffers from overusing cheap and painted flats, while DisneySea's version suffers from the soundtrack cut off in the main chamber/snake room.>> Wow, THANK YOU, finally somebody says this too. I mentioned this several times before about TDS` flaw and ironically mentioned this to Mr. X just yesterday. Yeah, it is a HUGE flaw IMO and one I noticed just the few days I rode it again.
94	WorldDisney Fri 8/24/2007 6:40a	<<I think it's tons better than the new Submarine Voyage in Disneyland>> <<Whoa. Now I do know that our tastes are wildly divergent. 20k isn't even in the same league as Finding Nemo Submarine Voyage for me. It is a class apart.>> LOL, where the hell do you come up with this stuff??? Sorry I`m late to the party, but someone who just been on both on them recently about a week apart from them, 20K leagues kicks Nemo butt up and down the ocean!! Do I like Nemo, definitely, but it doesn`t come close to the amount of details, sets and imagination of 20K. Granted, not everyone likes 20K, I know, but its an adult ride, the one submarine voyage USE to be and the ride vehicles alone kicks the 1950`s DL subs any day. And uh, yeah, the queue, nuff said ;), They are BOTH great attractions, but it amazes me over and over again how great DL is and how bad TDLR is in your head considering 20K is one of the most immersive and story filled rides to come out of the company since Indy.
95	TDR_Fan Fri 8/24/2007 11:56a	<<20K is one of the most immersive and story filled rides to come out of the company since Indy.>> Journey to the Center of the Earth too.
96	Mr X Sat 8/25/2007 5:09a	**LOL, where the hell do you come up with this stuff??? Sorry I`m late to the party, but someone who just been on both on them recently about a week apart from them, 20K leagues kicks Nemo butt up and down the ocean!!** Crap, now I have to go BACK to Anaheim again, just so I can find another reason to disagree with Lee? >:( Bad enough I had to book a trip to Orlando in December (not too cheap from Asia) so I can get filled in on the new stuff and why it doesn't hold a candle to the Tokyo Disney Resort. I'm guessing from the rest of WD's comments, and Lee and TDR_Fan too, that the big "divergence" comes from some of us looking at the "total package" (something Disneyland fans LOVE to talk about re Indy...the fact that the whole experience, right as you walk in, and not only "the ride itself" is just a great vibe and very "Disney"...something that makes me prefer Pirates in ORLANDO to the other ones believe it or not). I share some of Lee's unhappiness with Journey once the ride begins...it's very good but not "OMG! AWSOME!", like I wish it was...but to me that one and 20,000 AND Stormrider (yes, I like it alot!) and all the other DisneySea stuff have a very polished, detailed, DISNEY feel to me...something I found lacking at DCA and VERY lacking at Hong Kong Disneyland (Space, meh...Jungle Cruise, meh (ride okay, queue nothing, no setup...plus short and you can see practically everything from the line unlike the others)), what else is there in Hong Kong again? ;)
97	TDR_Fan Sat 8/25/2007 7:10a	You are correct Mr X. For me, the experience of any attraction begins at the entrance of the attraction. In the case of Journey to the Center of the Earth and 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea, the experience starts as soon as I enter Mysterious Island. The overall immersion and detail of the setting and attraction (entryway, queue, ride, exit area, etc) is what makes both Journey to the Center of the Earth and 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea my personal favorites. Other than Indiana Jones Adventure and Tower of Terror (which are also among my top favorites), I feel that no other attraction has even begun to approach this level of scale and detail in their execution.
98	davewasbaloo Sat 8/25/2007 8:17a	>>>the fact that the whole experience, right as you walk in, and not only "the ride itself" is just a great vibe and very "Disney"...something that makes me prefer Pirates in ORLANDO to the other ones believe it or not).<<< You must get yourself to DLP. It is the best as it has the awesome treasure Isle outside, a spanish fort holds the queue, and the attraction is more akin to DL's with more advanced AA's.
99	TDR_Fan Sat 8/25/2007 8:46a	<<You must get yourself to DLP. It is the best as it has the awesome treasure Isle outside, a spanish fort holds the queue, and the attraction is more akin to DL's with more advanced AA's.>> It's definitely the best setting in my opinion, though I do have a soft spot for the New Orleans setting of Disneyland's. But the build up/execution is just so much better in Disneyland Paris.
100	WorldDisney Sat 8/25/2007 8:51a	Yeah, I'm with you guys there. POTC queue at DLP really out does itself :).

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