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Topic: Tokyo DisneySea- Is Soarin' still coming?

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21	TDR_Fan Fri 8/17/2007 2:34a	<<attractions like Indy (which is inferior to the DL original IMO)>> In my opinion, both have large flaws. Disneyland's version suffers from overusing cheap and painted flats, while DisneySea's version suffers from the soundtrack cut off in the main chamber/snake room. The rat room in Disneyland's version is very lame and redundant; it doesn't hold a candle to the smoke ring effect in the Crystal Skull version. Not to mention it doesn't work half the time. And the dart corridor...one of the lamest sections in the Disneyland version. The flat cardboard look of the skeletons highly detracts from the detailed theming in the previous chambers. DisneySea's dart corridor is far better, with three dimensional stone carvings. I love both versions, but the more elaborate theming and superior special effects (Crystal Skull, giant vortex, laser eyebeam in main chamber, smoke ring, etc) in DisneySea's version edges it over Disneyland's version for me. Oh, and the incredible Aztec pyramid is far more impressive than Disneyland's small Indian temple. However, the pyro and Chamber of Destiny in Disneyland's make it a close comparison.
22	TDR_Fan Fri 8/17/2007 2:40a	<<I think OLC should use you in their marketing. I have never encountered anyone that ranks 20k in their Top 10 before. In fact I've never even heard anyone describe it as "good" or better before.>> I have. Frankly, I don't have any issues with it. I think it's tons better than the new Submarine Voyage in Disneyland (which I finally checked out last week!). The queue is very detailed, as are all the sets in the attraction. The score is also one of the most sweeping and majestic in any Disney attraction, though subtle. Many people miss out on the neat details in the ride vehicle, such as the oxygen dial going down slowly as you traverse through the show scenes. The depth meter also goes down accordingly to the environment of the sets; I love how the meter suddenly goes up after you are raised to the surface by the Atlantians. Amazing attention to detail.
23	leemac Fri 8/17/2007 2:45a	<<I think it's tons better than the new Submarine Voyage in Disneyland>> Whoa. Now I do know that our tastes are wildly divergent. 20k isn't even in the same league as Finding Nemo Submarine Voyage for me. It is a class apart. << Amazing attention to detail.>> Like a lot of TDS: at the expense of compelling storytelling and a cohesive through-line. I don't want to ride 20k to look at a dial whizzing around. I want to see an immersive environment and 20k hasn't got it.
24	TDR_Fan Fri 8/17/2007 2:49a	<<Whoa. Now I do know that our tastes are wildly divergent. 20k isn't even in the same league as Finding Nemo Submarine Voyage for me. It is a class apart.>> Surprising since many Disneyland fans were disappointed by the Submarine Voyage. Too many cartoonish projections for me. It was like watching the movie again, literally. Not impressive and not what I want to see on an adventure. And I agree that the two attractions are a class apart. I think 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea is far better ;). <<Like a lot of TDS: at the expense of compelling storytelling and a cohesive through-line. I don't want to ride 20k to look at a dial whizzing around. I want to see an immersive environment and 20k hasn't got it.>> For me it does. I think the highly detailed sets and show scenes make for a far more immersive environment than the cartoonish, movie like projections of the Submarine Voyage.
25	leemac Fri 8/17/2007 2:59a	<<Too many cartoonish projections for me.>> Er, it is themed to Nemo. You did get that, right? And that awful and cheesy end sequence in 20k with the projection of the Atlanteans is better, how? We must know very different people as I haven't encountered anyone that wasn't impressed by the technology and its application. It is incredibly effective for most people.
26	TDR_Fan Fri 8/17/2007 3:05a	<<Er, it is themed to Nemo. You did get that, right? And that awful and cheesy end sequence in 20k with the projection of the Atlanteans is better, how?>> LOL. I find it very funny that you chose to compare one minor projection, which is very subtely done by the way, to the Nemo projections (which are a huge part of the storyline). I think the cartoonish and flat look of the Nemo projections much more cheesy than the shadows of the Atlantians. <<We must know very different people as I haven't encountered anyone that wasn't impressed by the technology and its application. It is incredibly effective for most people.>> Clearly, we do. The majority of the threads I've read indicate that this attraction was disappointing and relied too much on cheap projections rather than detailed show pieces. I found it highly detracting and much prefer the Jules Verne theming and storyline of 20,000 League Under the Sea. But I guess we'll have to agree to disagree, huh?
27	The Goddess Mara Fri 8/17/2007 8:50a	TDR_FAN, please stop with the comments about the "painted flats" already. The bulk of ancient artwork in temples and pyramids are wall PAINTINGS. Not carvings. I'm mystified how anyone could think that the Indy ride in Tokyo DisneySea is superior to the original. It's just not, plain and simple. You're entitled to your opinion of course, just as Lee is entitled to think that 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea is lousy--and believe me, that mystifies me as well. I enjoyed the new Finding Nemo Submarine Voyage in Disheyland, but 20,000 Leagues is an entirely immersive experience that's completely convincing: it's entirely succesful. The sub ride in DisneyLand has never--to me--been successful in its illusion of diving down into the ocean. You can see the surface of the water right above you, the submarine's don't tilt nose down, there's no sense of descent except some bubbles in your porthole. 20,000 Leagues offers a truly successful illusion in all of these aspects, and it's DRY. I do agree with Lee that DisneySea is short on rides, and that's a problem because it makes the lines at all the existing rides longer than they should be. When I go to the Tokyo Disney Resort, I always end up spending more time at Tokyo Disneyland--and that makes sense since there's so much more to do.
28	TDR_Fan Fri 8/17/2007 9:04a	Don't get me wrong. I love both versions very much. There was a time when I just couldn't pick a favorite. If you've noticed, I tend to switch favorites from time to time based on which one I've recently experienced; they are both extremely impressive and amazing attractions. And I think stone carvings make more sense in an Aztec pyrmaid, just as wall paintings make more sense in a small Indian temple. I just don't like the flat look of the dart corridor, but I *love* the murals in the Fountain of Eternal Youth chamber. And I completely agree with your assessment of 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea. It's always been an entirely immersive and successful attraction for me. I have also mentioned the lack of attractions compared to the Magic Kingdoms at Tokyo DisneySea. It's gotten better with Raging Spirits and Tower of Terror, enough for a full day. I find the repeatability of the attractions very high, so it's easy for me to spend the bulk of my trip there.
29	Malin Fri 8/17/2007 3:12p	The Goddess Mara:I do agree with Lee that DisneySea is short on rides, and that's a problem because it makes the lines at all the existing rides longer than they should be. When I go to the Tokyo Disney Resort, I always end up spending more time at Tokyo Disneyland--and that makes sense since there's so much more to do. Can I say I too totally agree with what the The Goddess Mara just wrote above.
30	barboy Fri 8/17/2007 5:18p	"I have never encountered anyone that ranks 20k in their Top 10 before. In fact I've never even heard anyone describe it as "good" or better before." Yes you have.....(me) Disney Sea has my top 5 of my all time 10 favorite attractions of any park anywhere--- 4 out of my top 6 even! So it should be pretty obvious why I find that park easily the best in the world--- and if one throws in park-wide architecture and eats it kills off any other park as far as I'm concerned. 1 JTTCE 2 Pirates (Dl Paris) 3 IJ 4 Phantom Manor(Dl Paris) 5 20k-- I love it! Just too much to take in; even after 4 consecutive rides I'm still seeing new stuff. 6 TOT 7 Pirates(Dl Anaheim) 8 Splash Mnt(Dl Tokyo) 9 Space Mnt(Dl Anaheim) 10 Sindbad and Nemo (Dl Anaheim)

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