Tokyo Disneyland
Topic: Goodbye Original Tomorrowland!

#	Author	Message
41	Bob Paris Fri 8/31/2007 11:21p	I come from a land Downunder, Where women go and men chunder. Especially on Mission:Space after one too many hot dogs.
42	SuperDry Mon 9/3/2007 7:44p	<<< TDL Tomorrowland is the ugliest land I have ever seen ! It feels so empty. And it is not a "world on the move" as there is no peoplemover, no monorail, no submarine voyage and no skyways (they closed 10 yeats ago). And even the Starjets are not in the central part of the land. I hate this Tomorrowland and they can rebuilt it... >>> Thanks! That's just about exactly what I was going to write. With all that space, I think they have quite a large canvas on which to work. And, I think that pulling off a "world on the move" futuristic motif is particularly difficult to do effectively when the majority of the guests are from the greater Tokyo area - they live in that future every day.
43	gurgitoy2 Tue 9/4/2007 7:56a	Yeah, I think of all places, TDL's Tomorrowland could use a dose of fantasy. I mean, Disney could never keep up with the trends in the city. So, if TDL went the Discoveryland route, or even the HKDL route, that might actually be better.
44	Kayoss Fri 9/7/2007 10:23a	<<<< <<< TDL Tomorrowland is the ugliest land I have ever seen ! It feels so empty. And it is not a "world on the move" as there is no peoplemover, no monorail, no submarine voyage and no skyways (they closed 10 yeats ago). And even the Starjets are not in the central part of the land. I hate this Tomorrowland and they can rebuilt it... >>> Thanks! That's just about exactly what I was going to write. With all that space, I think they have quite a large canvas on which to work. And, I think that pulling off a "world on the move" futuristic motif is particularly difficult to do effectively when the majority of the guests are from the greater Tokyo area - they live in that future every day.>>>> Not to be disrespectful, but either you folks are completely mad, or do not understand what I was referring to when I used the phrase 'world on the move'. The 'world on the move' .... was the nickname of Disneyland's Tomorrowland in the late 60s when they did their enormous redo. Besides just a handful of scattered ‘modern style' homes and buildings here and there (which it was certainly inspired by) it was aesthetically different and unlike almost anything outside of Berlin art galleries, and several as-of-then-unbuilt modernist proposals. The people at WDI back then were inspired by the whole ‘space age' movement, and created something extremely unusual for an amusement park. No question, it's a matter of taste, but the almost exclusively all-white design being the brainchild of some of the most brilliant architects and artists of their era...the very deliberate minimalist style of the old Tomorrowland (of which, presently, the last major remnants that can be still seen at the original Disneyland park are Space Mountain's exterior, and the newly-rebuilt Tomorrowland Terrace) really did stand the test of time. In fact, it was so successful that when they built Magic Kingdom they basically duplicated the 60's Disneyland version's art direction... while of course having the budget and space to build a much bigger version. When Tokyo Disneyland was built.... you guessed it... it was that original Walt Disney World version chosen as the basic blueprint. The reason it doesn't have a Peoplemover is because, no, the Japanese would not find such an attraction futuristic or fun since they basically ride the coolest trains in the world every day. ??Of course, we all know what happened to Disneyland's in the 1998 disaster, but I find great comfort in little projects like the Tomorrowland Terrace redo, which clearly shows that the ‘clean lines' and ‘antiseptic' feel of the late-60s era Tomorrowland really is classic. I think they absolutely destroyed the look of Walt Disney World's Tommorrowland and that the ‘metal' theme really looks ugly... especially when contrasted with the remaining older structures (just look at the grandeur of the fountain near the old skyway station.) Disneyland Paris' is a completely different theme, so it doesn't irk me, and Hong Kong Disneyland's is actually quite a unique take on the land... although there's points of it that seem like they're fighting between styles. Tokyo's is the very last remaining ‘orginal-style' Tomorrowland. The very last one. It's the design people think about when they think of Tomorrowland. As recently as the gag in "Meet the Robinsons", the "Todayland" bit was directly lifted from the ‘world on the move' design. Tokyo is no doubt the highest-tech city in the world, but there is STILL no all-white modernist city. The closest thing is Brasilia, the capital of Brasil, but that ‘modernist' section is limited to a very small section of the actual city. The point I'm making is it's *STILL* a very influential design to not only people in Theme Parks, but architects from around the world. I'm all for wonderful new attractions in the buildings, and killer redos like the recently redone Space Mountain.... but why can't the land's landmark all-white/blue highlights be kept for the exteriors? Usually, the folks at OLC are very good about this kind of thing, so I hope they continue to add and update attractions in Tomorrowland, but find a way to preserve this very special piece of Disney history they have sitting in their park. Not everything has to be in-your-face-glowing-neon-and-lights. Why should Tokyo's Tomorrowland look like Hong Kong's? Why this obsession destroying the look of the land? I'm all for change and progress, but in this case I think Tokyo has the look of this land absolutely perfect. Their "Autopia"? It absolutely needs a redo. So does WDW's. What it does not need is an overall land refresh. This would be foolish...because while modern architecture is all glass and steel.... Tokyo's Tomorrowland is ‘stuck' in a fantasy-based ‘retro-future' that is pure Disney... and in my opinion.... should be preserved without question.
45	The Goddess Mara Fri 9/7/2007 10:49a	Kayoss--brilliantly stated. And that's why I started this thread. I would be very disappointed to see Tokyo Disneyland's Tomorrowland get redone into something unrecognizable.
46	TDLFAN Sun 9/9/2007 7:51p	>>Not everything has to be in-your-face-glowing-neon-and-lights. Why should Tokyo's Tomorrowland look like Hong Kong's? Why this obsession destroying the look of the land? I'm all for change and progress, but in this case I think Tokyo has the look of this land absolutely perfect. Their "Autopia"? It absolutely needs a redo. So does WDW's. << Bravo! Well stated. Now get yourself a new beau.

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