DCA, Future Expansion
Topic: Little Mermaid Dark Ride

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61	BlueOhanaTerror Thu 9/6/2007 11:52a	>>>"They already tried a park full of non-cartoon based rides (DCA when it opened). Nobody liked it."<<< DCA's failure to connect with the public never had anything to do with a lack of characters. There were always "walk around" characters to provide the obligatory meet and greet/autographs and warm and cuddly moments. DCA's lack of enthusiastic response with the public was the result of underbaked attractions, not enough spectacular attractions, and a perceived undercurrent throughout of a lack of quality. Beyond all that, simply not enough to do where one person feels "gee, I've got lots and lots of choices of great stuff to do." The average visitor, given the nature of human personality, probably only had a handful of appealing options as to where to spend his/her time. Disneyland truly has something for everyone, in ABUNDANCE. It's had decades to develop to that point. But that park was CONCEIVED with a diversity of appeals in theme and in execution of entertainment offerings (I mean attractions along with performed entertainment). DCA's conception was spotty: "We'll have one of these, and one of these, and here and here and here we can stick some short movies." And in between all that, they stuck a bunch of restaurants and shops, hoping to distract you from your wallet, thinking (how bizarre!) that shopping and eating is a replacement for quality attractions. EPCOT CENTER opened with very few cartoon or character references - and where it did have those, they were mostly NEW characters. Contrary to the opinion of people who were born after 1982, the park WAS quite a success in its first few years. It was hugely expensive though, and represented 1/4 of the entire company's net worth (at the time). It wasn't until Michael Eisner came on board a couple of years later and looked at the place, that there was a reaction to parents asking "where's the characters?" Maybe it was a good idea to bring some Disney characters to EPCOT Center, but it was a mistake to pursue that path as a crutch. The park's STRENGTH was in the confidence it held in its core themes. When various characters were called upon to "prop up" attractions and environments, designers got lazy with established themes, and stopped thinking so hard. Jon earlier said that designers have gotten lazy. There's truth to that, particularly when everywhere you look, an attraction HAS to have some kind of character tie-in. PIRATES created its own cast. THE HAUNTED MANSION created its own cast. LINCOLN appropriated a beloved historical figure and gave him a new platform to inspire. Ditto for endless great attractions that have displayed longevity. No such vision seems in the offing for these new Disney creations, which makes me weep for the money that's about to be spent. Give me ONE attraction about the diverse sea life off California's coastline. That attraction will never need updating. And it certainly won't need NEMO.
62	Skellington88 Thu 9/6/2007 12:51p	How does the Cars ride NOT fit in a land called Carland about california's car culture?
63	jonvn Thu 9/6/2007 1:13p	um...cause it takes place elsewhere? How about a car factory ride instead? Whre you are in a suspended car flying through a factory, and it is assembled as you move along, and at the end, you ride off on a test track. That really should have been what test track was in epcot. Who cares about Cars, the movie. It was dull as dishwater.
64	Witches of Morva Thu 9/6/2007 2:21p	ORWEN: Not to everybody, it wasn't. ORDDU: It all comes down to personal preferences and tastes. What bothers us is when an attraction is made cheaply and it shows--such as Winnie the Pooh. ORWEN: But that doesn't mean we don't still like Pooh! ORGOCH: Yeah, I'm sure ya does!
65	jonvn Thu 9/6/2007 2:30p	"Not to everybody, it wasn't. " Oh gee, that film had long stretches of nothing in it. I'd say it's Pixar's weakest. I actually liked Ratatoullie much better.
66	davewasbaloo Thu 9/6/2007 2:35p	See, Cars is my and my son's favorite Pixar. Love it!
67	Skellington88 Thu 9/6/2007 5:18p	<um...cause it takes place elsewhere? How about a car factory ride instead? Whre you are in a suspended car flying through a factory, and it is assembled as you move along, and at the end, you ride off on a test track.> A portion of the film takes place in California and the rest of the movie is about Route 66..which is tied to californias history. That ride you described sounds an awful lot like Test Track at Epcot. Which is one of the worst rides I've ever been on.
68	spacejockey Thu 9/6/2007 6:29p	What about a "Tunnel of Love" staring Little Mermaid. A "Tunnel Of Love" would fit the pier theme.
69	jonvn Thu 9/6/2007 7:19p	"That ride you described sounds an awful lot like Test Track at Epcot. Which is one of the worst rides I've ever been on. " I've been on test track, and it's not the ride i was describing. "A portion of the film takes place in California and the rest of the movie is about Route 66..which is tied to californias history. " Hey, you know what else is tied to California history? The Norman Invasion of 1066. Because of that, the English language changed, and we speak English in California, so let's have some knights and heraldry attractions in DCA, too.
70	FerretAfros Thu 9/6/2007 7:26p	If I remember the movie correctly (and there is no doubt in my mind about this part of it, at least), there was a huge deal made about how Radiator Springs (where the majority of the film takes place) is specifically NOT in California. They don't say where it is, but Lightning keeps mentioning how he needs to get to California, which would be a stupid thing to say if he was already in the state. Sure, they could do something with the race scene, but that really wouldn't be particularly interesting. If they wanted to recreate a desert town for the attraction, I would expect that it would not be Radiator Springs. It could have references to it (like signs saying how far away it was, or shops owned by relatives of the RS cars), but it should be it's own place. From what I've seen of the concept art (which is addmitedly not too much), there seems to be no effort made to make sure that is actually is in California, and therefor has absolutely nothing to do with the vague references to California that seem to be so important.

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