DCA, Future Expansion
Topic: Tom Staggs basically confirms the massive upgrade

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101	bean Tue 9/25/2007 10:33a	"2001... TDL 17.7 million, TDS 4 million (TDS was a partial year) Still an increase of over a million for Tokyo Disneyland itself, and then an extra 4 million for the new park (TDS) 2002... TDL gets 13 million (a decrease) but TDS gets 12 million (IMHO, due to the POSITIVE reviews), but that is still 25 million between the 2 parks, or a 17% increase over 2001. Now compare that to Anaheim... (AB/ERA numbers, not official) 2000... Disneyland 13.9 million 2001... DL 12.3, DCA 5 million 2002... DL 12.7 million, DCA 4.7 million, less than a 1% increase from 2001. you see this is what bothers me when numbers are brought up. The poster above justifies the sharp decrease of TDL because of TDS good reviews. Sure that may be correct, still TDL saw a sharp decrease in attendance. SOmething that was not meant to happen. TDS was built to compliment TDL not to cannablize it so much. Also TDS attendance is labeled as partial because it was not a full year. well the same goes for DCA. If people are going to throw around numbers than the theories behind them must be consistent. We all know DCA did not pull in the numbers that everyone hoped but DO NOT throw out numbers and justify them for one resort and not the other. If i could get into detail concerning numbers i would but most would be surprised how easy it is to inflate them when necessary. Even numbers produced for internal use are inflated and occasionally leaked out. (its always good publicity to be considered the number one destination in the world)
102	danyoung Tue 9/25/2007 10:46a	>But, the rides are all actually themed, so that does not make a lot of sense.< Is the Maliboomer themed? Is Mulholland Madness? Is Cali Screamin'? Well, I guess a little bit. Perhaps the better word would have been minimal theming. There are very few attractions in DCA that are even close to the theming of classic DL attractions. And that's the way they planned it, thinking that we wouldn't notice the difference.
103	jonvn Tue 9/25/2007 10:53a	"Is the Maliboomer themed? Is Mulholland Madness? Is Cali Screamin'? " Actually, yes, they are. Screamin (I don't like that there is no G on the end) is very intricately themed. Mailboomer looks like one of those giant hammer games you see on piers. MM? Well, that one is less themed, yes. I don't actually recall what it looks like other than a small coaster. But they do have themes on most all of the rides. So again, that does not jibe with what you are saying.
104	TDR_Fan Tue 9/25/2007 10:56a	<<Sure that may be correct, still TDL saw a sharp decrease in attendance. SOmething that was not meant to happen. TDS was built to compliment TDL not to cannablize it so much>> The overall intention was to increase attendance to around 25 million annually at the resort, and they succeeded. They predicted 10 million for TDS and 15 million for TDL, so I'm guessing they did expect a slight decrease in TDL's attendance. But you are correct in that TDS affected TDL more than they thought, as they are now usually only one million or so apart in attendance figures (TDS at 12 million, TDL at 13 million). <<Also TDS attendance is labeled as partial because it was not a full year. well the same goes for DCA.>> Let's see. DCA opened in February and TDS in September. DCA has 10 months to gather up attendance figures before the end of the year, while TDS had about 4 months. With 6 more months of operating time, it's a bit of a surprise to see that DCA only got about 1 million more guests than TDS.
105	Darkbeer Tue 9/25/2007 11:28a	Actually, AB/ERA counted the preview attendance in January of 2001 for DCA, so it was basically a full year.
106	bean Tue 9/25/2007 11:39a	"Let's see. DCA opened in February and TDS in September. DCA has 10 months to gather up attendance figures before the end of the year, while TDS had about 4 months. With 6 more months of operating time, it's a bit of a surprise to see that DCA only got about 1 million more guests than TDS." i am not arguing that, you are correct. DCA had been opened longer then TDS and TDS still beat DCA's attendance numbers. The point is that neither park had been opened a full year before numbers had been posted by people. This whole number game is useless because then we could continue to argue that TDS later saw a consistent decrease in attendance while TDl saw its numbers continue to get back to normal. Yet in Anaheim Disneyland saw little to know decrease in numbers and DCA continued to increase in numbers instead of the usual decline a theme park gets after two years. Like I mentioned before attendance numbers for each park in each resort can be played with. OLC forces multi day passholders to visit one park or the other while at Anaheim the tickets are open to park hopping. Giving the first park they visit the click. Disneyland opens two to three hours before DCA therefore tourist will visit Disneyland first giving that park the attendance click. In Florida they do their attendance numbers differently so that it gives each park a more even attendance number between each one. You have to look at the overall picture of the impact of each additional park to the resorts bottom line. That is why one can argue that OLC has hit its target by increasing overall attendance whether one park or the other gets the higher attendance number. In Anaheim the numbers are still under projections or what the resort is capable off but not as low as it might seem. That resort still has lots of potential
107	danyoung Tue 9/25/2007 11:40a	>But they do have themes on most all of the rides. So again, that does not jibe with what you are saying.< Compare the theming of the Maliboomer with say Indy or Pirates or even Peter Pan. It's generic - it's carny - it's simply not up to Disney standards. Even Soarin', which I love, is pretty minimal in its theming. The entire queue is basically a cement bunker, and the show rooms are just a big hanger with a curved screen. IMO (and feel free to disagree, as I know you will), Disney didn't theme this park very well at all. The areas that are well themed, like the San Francisco wharf area, don't have any attractions (I'll never count watching bread bake as an attraction!). Nope, poor theming. And again, the Disney execs in charge of this park STATED both publicly and in private documents leaked to the web that they were intentionally NOT going to use the Disney standard of theming, but were leaning more towards 6 Flags settings.
108	TDR_Fan Tue 9/25/2007 11:44a	<<This whole number game is useless because then we could continue to argue that TDS later saw a consistent decrease in attendance while TDl saw its numbers continue to get back to normal.>> Off topic, but I have read that TDS has always maintained its attendance at around 12 million. It reached 12 million in its first full year of operation and reached its peak year in 2004. After 2004, at 12.2 million guests, TDS started to go down a bit; around 12 million in 2005, and 12.1 million in 2006.
109	Hans Reinhardt Tue 9/25/2007 12:38p	"But, the rides are all actually themed, so that does not make a lot of sense." Exactly. Though a person may feel that the park is lacking in some regards, there's certainly no justification for feeling insulted by what they have built. It just isn't that bad.
110	jonvn Tue 9/25/2007 1:08p	"Compare the theming of the Maliboomer with say Indy or Pirates or even Peter Pan. It's generic - it's carny - it's simply not up to Disney standards." But they are different kinds of rides. You should compare the same sorts of things. Compare the theming of Maliboomer (uck...i hate puns) to say, the teacup ride. Similar style of ride, and about the same level of theming. "Even Soarin', which I love, is pretty minimal in its theming." I have to disagree. I think it's themed pretty nicely, with stuff that's pretty cool to look at. I kind of like looking at the stuff in there. "he areas that are well themed, like the San Francisco wharf area, don't have any attractions" Actually, the wharf is supposed to be Monterey, not SF. But yes, a very well done job in theming there that has no ride in it. Really, if they are going to be putting in a themed area it needs: 1) To flow visually and thematically from the areas around it. 2) A ride to go on. 3) A sit down restaurant or place to eat. 4) Bathrooms. If you don't have these minimal things, the area is incomplete. If you put five of one of these things in instead of at least one of each, it doesn't count, and it still is incomplete. That's what they did with the wharf. Put in 5 places to eat, no ride to go on. "The Disney execs in charge of this park STATED both publicly and in private documents leaked to the web that they were intentionally NOT going to use the Disney standard of theming" But that did not happen. The place IS very much themed.

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