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| oc_dean
Wed 10/3/2007 2:23a | Exactly!
The talk about extending Tomorrowland showbuildings to Harbor Blvd. will no doubt have an impact on the existing and any new extensions of the Peoplemover track. (Whatever conveyance they decide to put on it.)
If that's what they intend on doing .... then that must mean some MAJOR changes brewing!!! And to make up for all the mistakes (TL:98) then perhaps this is the time we can all look forward to some very nice changes to the land.
The kind we were looking forward to ... prior to the declining era.
And about America Sings?
For the record ....
America Sings was never intended to be a permanent fixture in TL. When it's goal was to entertain guests during the nations bicentennial celebrations in 1975 & 1976. And around the early 80s ... some within WED were pushing to get Carousel of Progress back into DL for the "1984" renovation that never happened. TL:2055 was not the only TL renovation plan to fall through the cracks.
Sam McKim has a marvelous line drawing of 'Carousel of Progress 1984' shrouded in a dome of glass. I beleive I first saw the drawing in a E Ticket magazine.
So it was not 'lack of attendance'. America Sings was never intended to stick around longterm .... when they've been trying to get it shut down since around 1980 .. while it was still going strong. All in the name of keeping Tomorrowland in "Tomorrow".
Only when Tony Baxter saw a future home for all those America Sings characters (in 1984 - When Splash Mountain was first envisioned) is when the fate of it was sealed. |
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| Kayoss
Fri 10/5/2007 12:33a | As I said before, 2011. Mark it down. ;) |
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| jonvn
Fri 10/5/2007 11:26a | America sings was drawing almost no one by the time it closed. They were running every other theater, and even then, only a handful of people would be in any particular show.
They had already started taking the figures out for other rides. In the western scene, a barrel replaced a goose that went into star tours. The hat from the goose sat on top of the barrel.
People were just not going on the thing at all. It was so tied to the bicentennial, and for that it was good, but otherwise, it was out of place and really pretty lame.
Also, my understanding is that they can not put the astro orbitor back where it should be, on top of the peoplemover loading platform, because the structure is not designed to hold that much weight. In order to do that, they'd have to tear that entire thing down and rebuild it. This is what I've heard, anyway.
This used to be the best area of the park, before all the fantasy and magic got crammed into it. Shame. |
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| DlandDug
Fri 10/5/2007 2:21p | >>The talk about extending Tomorrowland showbuildings to Harbor Blvd...<<
What talk is that? There's no room. Tomorrowland is built out to the railroad tracks. Between the tracks and Harbor there's just a sliver of space, occupied by a heavily forested berm. |
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| jonvn
Fri 10/5/2007 2:22p | The berm can be removed. The real issue with this idea is the service road where the parade floats go when they only do one parade a day. That would have to be taken into account. |
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| DlandDug
Fri 10/5/2007 2:28p | The berm is quite narrow in this area. (Less than 100 feet at the widest point.) Removing it would gain so little space it wouldn't be worth the effort.
The parades for Disneyland are not trucked over the service road. They are parked backstage between the Opera House and Space Mountain. That's why they reverse direction if there is a second parade of the day. |
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| jonvn
Fri 10/5/2007 2:34p | "(Less than 100 feet at the widest point.) "
100 feet is a lot of space.
"They are parked backstage between the Opera House and Space Mountain. That's why they reverse direction if there is a second parade of the day."
They are not parked there if there is only one parade. They go back to the parade storage area and they use that service road to get them there. OR they used to, anyway. |
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| DlandDug
Fri 10/5/2007 2:42p | The newer parades are too large to make it down the service road. Sadly, when there is a single parade, it's kept parked behind the east side of Main Street until the end of the day. It is trucked back after the park is closed.
The space "available" between Tomorrowland and Harbor Blvd. is really negligible. Further, it almost certainly has restrictions based on the building code. It's unlikely that even Disney could build anything large that close to the street.
If there was a way to link the space (it's about 1000 square feet) to the existing buildings, it could be used. But the railroad tracks are running through the area. So it really doesn't make any sense to entertain the notion that there's space to expand TL show buildings out to Harbor Blvd. |
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| trekkeruss
Fri 10/5/2007 2:42p | TL doesn't lack for space; there is plenty of dead area, and plenty of stuff that could be sacrificed in a reimagineering. So IMO, there is no need to push outwards, if it was even possible. |
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| DlandDug
Fri 10/5/2007 2:42p | Oh! This area is also occupied by the parallel monorail beams. |
