Walt Disney World General
Topic: An Appeal to Spirit and TDLFAN

#	Author	Message
131	Witches of Morva Tue 3/11/2008 5:32p	ORDDU: So nice to see you again, Spirit, dear. As you can see, MOST of us around the Laughing Place pond appreciate hearing from you. So, please keep on telling us what you hear about. Contrary to what some have said, you are NOT full of yourself. It appears that certain others may simply be jealous that they don't have the connections that you have and this causes them to become mean spirited. Regardless of that, you're a fine soul with plenty of interesting tidbits to share. ORWEN: By the way, us Cauldron girls were part of the mix of Magic Kingdom guests who complained at City Hall about all the excessive Pirates and Princess Parties. ORGOCH: Sure were! Too bad them idiots in charge don't wanna' hear how folks feels 'bout their bad choices on how they run the parks! Just goes ta show they's in the wrong jobs!!
132	jkayjs Tue 3/11/2008 5:49p	<<ORWEN: By the way, us Cauldron girls were part of the mix of Magic Kingdom guests who complained at City Hall about all the excessive Pirates and Princess Parties.>> If three Cauldron gals can't scare,I mean talk some sense into them no one can.;)
133	mousermerf Tue 3/11/2008 5:51p	I'd like to know what's going on - and stop having to hear people's "opinions" on all the crapola that's being put out lately and how sucessful it is. So.. *scoots up chair* Tell me 'bout Epcot.
134	dennis-in-ct Tue 3/11/2008 7:42p	<<<lets the bygones be gone, and let's all get back to discussing Disney!>> Agreed. Let all else go "off-line" I am very happy to hear MK finally has an e-ticket green-lit. It's about time
135	dennis-in-ct Tue 3/11/2008 7:47p	opps ... never mind. I thought the e-ticket was WDW. I re-read Spirit's post and see that DL is getting a new e-ticket. I hope it is open by 2011 or 2012 for my next visit to the DL Resort. I can't wait!!
136	Inspector 57 Tue 3/11/2008 9:18p	>><<lets the bygones be gone, and let's all get back to discussing Disney!>> Agreed. Let all else go "off-line"<< I'm all in favor of letting bygones be bygones. I hate interpersonal conflict between people I like. But -- no offense, Dennis -- while I don't want to inflame or to "take sides," I think it's fair and appropriate to respond here to some of the things that have already been posted ON-line. I want to point out -- no offense, X -- that when someone reads only one account of a conflict (as has been the case on this thread), they are, de facto, not getting the whole picture. My understanding of the "TDLFAN failed to meet with another LP'er at DisneySea!" "incident" includes: that TDLFAN's visits to the Tokyo Parks are frequently regrettably short (a matter of two or three hours in some cases); that he sometimes doesn't even entertain requests to meet people there for that reason; that he did agree to meet this person even though he had a full agenda for this short visit; that he took care to explain his constraints to this person ahead of time; that when the person didn't show, TDLFAN did all he could to contact him; that he waited longer than five minutes. It's regrettable that there was an earthquake and the usually punctual train was late. It's regrettable that the two of them didn't have the ability to connect by cell phone once the LP'er arrived. I know that TDLFAN was distressed when the meeting didn't happen. I believe that it was gracious of him to agree to meet in the first place, and that he wouldn't have made the plan if he didn't intend to follow through. To suggest that he totally blew off an LP'er seems an overstatement to me. I also want to add my observations regarding the assertion that TDLFAN, the person, is exactly like TDLFAN, the sometimes-offensive internet poster. In my experience, that is not the case at all. For years, I have been among those who have confronted TDLFAN -- on LP and privately -- over posts he made that I found to be insensitive, rude, or stereotypical. Yet during that same time period I have never seen him ACT in accordance with those posts. In person, he treats individuals he meets non-judgementally, with interest, and with respect. He's posted harsh things about a number of groups of people and personal behaviors (I don't defend those posts), but in real life he doesn't discriminate like that. He has a number of friends or people he thinks highly of who, for example, drink, smoke, are significantly overweight (no offense, Witches), disagree with him about the relative merits of the Parks, etc. Maybe even Brits who have little taste in clothing (admittedly, I won't be able to confirm this one 'til I meet davewasbaloo -- no offense, Dave). I don't know that TDLFAN even cares how he's represented in this thread. But I thought that he and thread deserve an opposing point of view, at least for the sake of balance.
137	Mr X Tue 3/11/2008 9:36p	Inspector, my issue was not with the fact that he blew off the meeting...stuff happens. It was with the hard time he gave that guy here afterwards when a simple "yes, it was too bad we didn't meet" would've been more than sufficient. It was very rude. I dared to tell him so. He took it from there.
138	Inspector 57 Tue 3/11/2008 10:07p	Okay. I didn't follow the situation as it unfolded between the two of you afterwards. (To be honest, I avoided reading those posts.) I haven't made any judgements on that conflict.
139	mele Wed 3/12/2008 7:14a	When I first started posting on LP I was a bit taken aback by TDLFAN's posts. But after awhile, I got to know him better and started to understand his style of posting and now I don't take everything so literally. I like him. I don't think I want to get on his bad side, however. ha ha
140	blueharvest82 Wed 3/12/2008 7:27a	<<How about I tell you guys that Space Mountain's budget redo has received more $$$, and the timetable moved back, due to concern about competing with Harry Potter ... or that DVC is Jay Rasulo's top priority and coming to Lake Tahoe (and likely Spain) in the very near future ... or that Guest Relations at MK has been inundated by complaints due to scheduling weekend PP Parties (not the fun kind either!) but Phil Holmes and Erin Wallace don't care ... or that DL is about to have an E-Ticket greenlighted (no, not Star Tours 2.0, this is in addition to that) or ... wait a sec ... I'd rather not. This way you can all talk about me, I don't have to post and deal with people who can't discuss things rationally and the LP WDW Board can go back to those good old days of 13 posts in a day.>> As per usual, everything he says is the same information you can find out if you talk to someone from cast deployment. E-tickets, expansions, parks, closures, ect. The only reason I ever had a problem with spirit and TDL was because on my very first post, the both of them came out of nowhere like the spartan cheerleaders and attacked me. They told me I was wrong and they were right, they said my views were askew because they weren't the same as theirs, they said that I wasn't as big of a disney fan bacause I didn't have as many international park maps as them. They were the ring leading bullies and the reason a hand full of you are upset that they rae gone, is because you are not as good at bullying as they ewre, and you need them to look good. But once again, and I know this is still a little hard to grasp, so I will type slowly...It is still a theme parks for kids and adults alike, thats it! HAVE A MAGICAL EVEING!

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