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Topic: A pregnant man

#	Author	Message
101	Mr X Thu 4/10/2008 7:32a	***I do not consider CHOOSING to be a different sex, a "minority".*** Do you consider homosexuals to be a minority?
102	mele Thu 4/10/2008 7:34a	Well said, ima. Thank you!
103	utahjosh Thu 4/10/2008 7:40a	I see nothing wrong with using the pronoun IT when you are not sure if you should us HE or SHE.
104	Mr X Thu 4/10/2008 7:42a	***I only converse with rational, normal people.*** Don't forget to include prejudiced bigots on your list... Someday, somehow I hope you'll look back and understand how nasty and hateful you are. The proof is right here in your words. But for now, I'm sure you'll take comfort in the idea that you somehow upset me (and yes, I'm upset at the gross prejudice you have displayed). Hopefully you'll understand at some point how hateful and nasty you have been here.
105	Mr X Thu 4/10/2008 7:45a	***I see nothing wrong with using the pronoun IT when you are not sure if you should us HE or SHE.*** Josh, you are better than that. It's a disgusting thing to say about a person. And, if you REALLY can't say (and this case is not so vague), you could always use "he or she", or "him or her", or something else like that. You don't refer to a human being as "it". Unless you are talking about a slave, perhaps. Or some other term for property, or for a "non-human". It's gross, inappropriate, and wrong.
106	Mr X Thu 4/10/2008 7:59a	Disneyland1, you still haven't answered my questions.
107	Mr X Thu 4/10/2008 8:02a	***calm down, mr CAPS....... My, but you ARE controllable, aren't you?*** Far cry from the "beleaguered newbie". And only in a matter of hours! Really makes ya wonder.
108	mele Thu 4/10/2008 8:05a	<<I see nothing wrong with using the pronoun IT when you are not sure if you should us HE or SHE.>> When in doubt, respect the person by calling them what they want to be called. Is that really so hard? Can you not muster up some compassion for these people? Does calling a transgendered person by the gender they want really take away so much from you that you can't refer to them as a human being? Is it really okay to dehumanize them and call them "its"? At it's best it's laziness, at it's worst, it IS hateful. In this case, you could call the person by their LEGAL gender, or how about by their name? General rule, if you don't want someone calling you, or your own child an "it", then don't call someone else an "it".
109	imadisneygal Thu 4/10/2008 8:30a	^^^To add to what Mele said about calling someone "him" or "her" based on their stated gender, which is absolutely correct, you could also use the terms "affirmed male" or "affirmed female" if you're so uncomfortable using the gender with which the person identifies. It is never, ever appropriate to use the term "it" when referring to a human being. Just ask. Or read. The person in the story is an affirmed male. Use him and he. Not she. Not her. And most certainly not "it." UtahJosh, I'm sort of surprised to see something so callous as your post come out of your fingers. You're usually so supportive of human rights, etc. There is no reason to not know what to use. You use what the person identifies with.
110	utahjosh Thu 4/10/2008 8:37a	After reading the last few posts I do realize that using the pronoun "it" can be understood with hate behind it. I did not mean it with hate. I don't carry any hate in my heart, I really try to love my fellow man as best I can. I'll be more sensitive to my language that way. And I don't support the use of "it" when referring to a man or woman, no matter how confusing their gender issues may be.

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