World Events
Topic: A pregnant man

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131	Mr X Thu 4/10/2008 5:36p	Shiva, very much agreed. The usual talking points against these sorts of situations (the gay adoption issue is oft targeted) make it sound as if the "normal" world is populated with practically perfect, leave it to beaver-esque moms and dads and that's "the way a family works". Well, welcome to the world, folks. There's a lot that ain't right with many of those families, and the kids suffer. Accordingly, there are lots of "abnormal" families, hard working single moms/dads, loving gay couples, and other folks who do great by their kids. It's an invalid argument as far as I'm concerned, but that doesn't stop people from repeating it.
132	ShivaThDestroyer Thu 4/10/2008 5:49p	Mr X, you did it to me again. You said it better and in fewer words. It's no wonder I stay out of WE. : )
133	Mr X Thu 4/10/2008 6:33p	:p Can't blame you for staying out of the shark infested waters, that's for sure.
134	Dabob2 Thu 4/10/2008 6:39p	<Mr X, I've always had the highest respect for imadisneygal, her warmth and well written posts in this thread are just one more reminder why. > Agreed. And Shiva, I understand steering clear of WE, but the occasional interjection of sanity and calm and sensible opinion would be more than welcome.
135	ShivaThDestroyer Thu 4/10/2008 7:34p	>>Agreed. And Shiva, I understand steering clear of WE, but the occasional interjection of sanity and calm and sensible opinion would be more than welcome.<< Dabob2, (blush) I'm just an old fart who's been around a while and I try to keep an open mind. World events and politics are not areas that I feel very knowledgeable about. I do peek in from time to time and read some of the posts. I've often wished I could express myself the way some of you do. You, Mr X and imadisneygal not only presented strong, intelligent arguments in this thread but also a caring, concern and respect for humanity that was hard for me to ignore. I'll be back in WE from time to time. Be gentle my friends : )
136	imadisneygal Thu 4/10/2008 7:50p	Thanks for the compliments, Shiva and Dabob2. I appreciate them more than you know. Have a great night! And Shiva, you're not an old fart. :)
137	Mr X Thu 4/10/2008 8:38p	***You, Mr X and imadisneygal not only presented strong, intelligent arguments in this thread but also a caring, concern and respect for humanity that was hard for me to ignore.*** Very kind. And nice to read, after having been so angrily berated earlier in the thread (the poster seems to have disappeared though). Thanks.
138	Liberty Belle Thu 4/10/2008 9:47p	>>I do not consider CHOOSING to be a different sex, a "minority". That alone disrespects the true minorities in the world.<< It's really not a choice. What person would CHOOSE to change their sex if they didn't really feel like they HAD to? Someone who felt they needed a little extra complication in their life? >>This former woman, now a man, may have suffered more from gender confusion and mental anguish.<< Totally agree. I knew a transgender girl (at least, we were all 99% sure that was the case) who committed suicide when she was 14. I'm sure her loved ones would have MUCH preferred she "hurt herself with surgeries" and gone on to live a full life. Having said that, I think if I were one of the people in this story I wouldn't have gone public. It invites too much judgement, not just on their behalf but on the behalf of all other transgender people. Their choice to make of course, but I think it's something I would have tried to steer clear of if I was in that situation. >>By the mid 60's, they said "don't say that" and we substituted something else (monkey, I think). I thought it was "tiger".<< We said "tigger" or "nickel". Neither of which made any sense, but nickel especially, they don't have toes and aren't hard to catch ...
139	ShivaThDestroyer Thu 4/10/2008 11:10p	>>after having been so angrily berated earlier in the thread (the poster seems to have disappeared though).<< Mr X, that bothered me a bit. I've spent a little time chatting with disneyland1 and I still believe that she is a nice person. I was even the one who found her roaming around in DL General shortly after she joined LP and introduced her in Community. She has a great sense of humor and a strong love of Disney. She is fairly new and we both know that WE is not the kind of place where someone new should come in casually and expect to say something unpopular without some sort of retaliation, even WE veterans are often on the receiving end. The difference is that the veterans know each other, look upon each other as "family" and, realizing that tempers can flare, tend to get over these little faux pas rather quickly. I hope we haven't scared her off and that she gets to know you and the other LP'ers a little better. The Mr X I know is very different from the "Nice to see you have lived up to your bad reputation here on LP" one that DL1 referenced. This is a great community and I've often stated that, for me, it has become home.
140	Mr X Thu 4/10/2008 11:15p	Thanks, Shiva. Honestly, I expected a different response once I pointed out what an insult it really is to call a person "it", and yet she continued. I suppose she was just blinded by anger towards me at the time.

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