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161	Dabob2 Wed 4/16/2008 9:15a	<A homosexual man does not insist I go along with his game.> It's not a game, it's simply the way x-percentage of the population is. <I said *intentionally conceiving* the child with the intention of depriving that child of a father.> I know a couple of Lesbian couples who have children. Newsflash: they didn't say to each other "hey, let's get inseminated so we can deprive the resulting child of a father! How cool would that be?" Believe it or not, that was not their motivation. Shocking as it may be to believe, they had kids because they wanted to raise and love kids. And they're doing a very fine job (5 kids between the two couples, all great kids). <Yet someone who is "transgender" insists I call him a woman? Not going to happen,> Well, no one can force you to. But I think it's just common courtesy to call people what they prefer to be called. I know a guy who refuses to call anyone "African American" unless they actually come from Africa. His attitude is "they've never set foot in Africa. Why should I call them that? I just won't." Okay, fine. No one can force him. I actually don't have any black friends who have much of a preference one way or the other, but if they did, I'd honor it. And if someone went through the difficulty of sex reassignment, as Shiva said so well, "If someone has had enough pain in their lives that they feel radical surgery is their only option, I don't feel the need to add to it." So no one can force you to do so, but refusing to do so, if not indicating blatant hatred as Mr. X says (I don't know you, so wouldn't say that), at the least, IMO, shows a lack of manners.
162	mele Wed 4/16/2008 9:36a	It's interesting that someone so vocal about their Christianity would be so rude about "playing make believe". You want people to respect your beliefs, yet you don't want to reciprocate and frankly, if refusing to be polite to someone out of stubbornness and cruelty is what your religion does for you, why should I respect it? A little bit of kindness goes a long way...why refuse to be kind to a stranger? How does their choice negatively affect your life? (It doesn't, of course.)
163	mele Wed 4/16/2008 9:43a	And as to your comment that these people shouldn't be bringing up any children...well, you've said some very misogynistic things in this thread...perhaps you shouldn't be allowed to raise daughters or be married. Maybe that's not the best environment for a child to be raised in. I guess it's always easier to judge other people than to hold yourself up to the same standards, isn't it?
164	woody Wed 4/16/2008 8:05p	>>"hey, let's get inseminated so we can deprive the resulting child of a father! How cool would that be?" Believe it or not, that was not their motivation.<< By definition, it would not have entered into their mind.
165	woody Wed 4/16/2008 8:06p	>>You want people to respect your beliefs, yet you don't want to reciprocate and frankly, if refusing to be polite to someone out of stubbornness and cruelty is what your religion does for you, why should I respect it?<< By your tone, you don't respect it. Why pretend. Very funny. Okay, we get your game. >>I guess it's always easier to judge other people than to hold yourself up to the same standards, isn't it?<< With no standards, there's only the judgement that you're against.
166	Mr X Wed 4/16/2008 8:14p	***By definition, it would not have entered into their mind.*** Of course it would. What a foolish thing to say. The poster didn't say it "didn't enter into their minds", actually by definition such an important decision to have a child would naturally involve lots of thought and consideration. The poster simply said it was not their motivation. And I agree. You, on the other hand, have an even more amazingly negative opinion towards these people (even to their ability to consider or reason on any level) than I would've thought possible. How could you possibly believe that such a thing "wouldn't enter into their minds"? And what does "by definition" mean in this case?
167	woody Wed 4/16/2008 8:22p	>>How could you possibly believe that such a thing "wouldn't enter into their minds"?<< Two lesbians, who believe the love between 2 women is sufficient, would not see the benefit of love from a father to his children. Some women wouldn't have children without the benefit of a husband who will be the father. Now, it is apparent, this is less of a factor in today's society. How would a lesbian couple be predisposed to think like a straight women who might have a bare appreciation for a male parent? Lesbians don't.
168	woody Wed 4/16/2008 8:23p	>>The poster simply said it was not their motivation. And I agree.<< This comment is self-explanatory.
169	Mr X Wed 4/16/2008 8:44p	***Two lesbians, who believe the love between 2 women is sufficient, would not see the benefit of love from a father to his children.*** How idiotic. Not to mention unrelated. The love any parent feels for their child is entirely different from romantic love, for you to assume otherwise (that they somehow couldn't "see the benefit") is just plain dumb.
170	mele Wed 4/16/2008 8:51p	<<Okay, we get your game.>> LOL! Ah, I pity you with your misery.

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