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Topic: A pregnant man

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171	Liberty Belle Wed 4/16/2008 8:56p	>>The love any parent feels for their child is entirely different from romantic love<< Agreed. Lesbian or not, most people grew up with a father. It's not like gay couples haven't had the experience of a father-daughter (or mother-son) relationship, regardless of whether they've ever had a romantic relationship with someone of the opposite sex.
172	Liberty Belle Wed 4/16/2008 8:57p	Disclaimer: I'm feeling incredibly inarticulate today, so I hope that post got my point across okay. Reading it back I'm honestly not sure if it makes that much sense!
173	mele Wed 4/16/2008 9:02p	You're making sense. :-)
174	Liberty Belle Wed 4/16/2008 9:05p	Haha, good to know! :)
175	mele Wed 4/16/2008 9:35p	I need to apologize to woody. I'm sorry I wrote what I did.
176	Dabob2 Thu 4/17/2008 8:04a	<>>"hey, let's get inseminated so we can deprive the resulting child of a father! How cool would that be?" Believe it or not, that was not their motivation.<< <By definition, it would not have entered into their mind.> On one level, that's right. That was my point, actually. To ascribe "depriving the child of a father" as some sort of intention is ludicrous. Lesbian couples have children for the same reasons straight couples do. Imagine that.
177	RC Collins Tue 4/22/2008 4:16p	imadisneygal: >>Psychologists and psychiatrists disagree<< I appreciate where you are from on this. However, "psychiatrists" (meaning the controlling majority, not all) used to classify homosexuality as an illness or disorder. Now they don't. So, they were either wrong before, or are wrong now. Which means it is possible for them to be wrong. >>Gender Identity Disorder and Gender Dysphoria<< Why can't these be treated between the ears instead of between the legs? >>Some transgendered people never have any surgery related to changing their sex.<< So it isn't necessary, is it? >>But if you knew some people who are transgendered and talked to them about their experiences before and after their transitions you might see things differently.<< I have, actually. I had a relative who went through the full "transition". He's a funny guy and pleasant enough. >>I met several affirmed males (born female) and unless you saw these people naked before their surgeries you'd never, EVER know it.<< That's fine. People I deal with every day do things all of the time that I think are wrong that I never find out about, and really, I don't care other than I care about people in general. Sometimes I do things that I think are wrong or stupid. Doesn't mean I'll turn around and say "must be okay". It's not like I stay awake and night worrying about this. I simply think people ought to stick with their XX or XY instead of dressing differently, injecting themselves with hormones, and having perfectly healthy body parts removed. If someone is XX, they are female.
178	RC Collins Tue 4/22/2008 4:16p	Mr X: >>See, I don't see a big difference in the levels of prejudice and hatred was my point.<< I do not hate someone for doing this to themselves. And I'm not prejudging. I'm judging something that has been done. It has already happened. According to what I believe about our bodies and our gender, such actions are wrong. Why do you feel so compelled to tell me that I'm wrong? You're judging me. >>Of course the experience of such people is different. I don't see either one as particularly better or worse, just different.< They ARE different (homosexuality and transexuality), so I distinguished them, is all. >>Okay, so if you ever lose your, I'll just say "important parts" in an accident, I'll feel free to call you a girl.<< You are ignoring what I've been saying all along. It is about DNA, and changing (or losing) your parts does not change who you are. >>As far as your anger or hate or whatever it is in insisting that you protest this whole sordid thing by "refusing" to call them by their chosen gender, I wonder why it's such an issue for you.<< Gender is not chosen. I don't point to a newborn kitten and say "It's a dog!"
179	RC Collins Tue 4/22/2008 4:16p	Dabob2: >><A homosexual man does not insist I go along with his game.> It's not a game, it's simply the way x-percentage of the population is.<< I'm sorry... by "game", I didn't mean to imply that a gay man is playing at being gay. >><I said *intentionally conceiving* the child with the intention of depriving that child of a father.> I know a couple of Lesbian couples who have children. Newsflash: they didn't say to each other "hey, let's get inseminated so we can deprive the resulting child of a father! How cool would that be?" Believe it or not, that was not their motivation.<< It is a necessary result of their action. Are you saying they were unaware that there would be no father in the home? While not their motivation, they did it intentionally. There was no way this was an "accident". >>But I think it's just common courtesy to call people what they prefer to be called<< Okay, from now on, please refer to me as His Royal Highness. ;-)
180	RC Collins Tue 4/22/2008 4:17p	mele >>A little bit of kindness goes a long way...why refuse to be kind to a stranger?<< I believe it is unkind to encourage people to remove perfectly healthy body parts. >>How does their choice negatively affect your life?<< It makes a mockery of masculinity and femininity. I am a man. So, it matters to me. >>And as to your comment that these people shouldn't be bringing up any children...well, you've said some very misogynistic things in this thread<< Like what? >>...perhaps you shouldn't be allowed to raise daughters or be married.<< Well, state-sanctioned marriage is not a right, so if you can get enough people to agree with you, you can revoke my marriage license. I'll still be married as far as God is concerned. Funny thing is, my wife and I can make children naturally (see, when there is a male and a female, that can happen without third parties), so you really have no say in it. >>I guess it's always easier to judge other people than to hold yourself up to the same standards, isn't it?<< No, I don't expect anyone to call me a woman, no matter what I do to myself. So I do expect to be judged by the same standards.

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