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Topic: A pregnant man

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211	Dabob2 Thu 5/1/2008 2:12p	<Someone pumped so full of hormones to make the transition, to then need the opposite is not good for the child's physical development.> I don't think we know that - it wouldn't surprise me, but this is the first such situation I've heard about, so I would imagine there haven't been any studies about it one way or the other.
212	davewasbaloo Thu 5/1/2008 2:18p	>>><Someone pumped so full of hormones to make the transition, to then need the opposite is not good for the child's physical development.> I don't think we know that - it wouldn't surprise me, but this is the first such situation I've heard about, so I would imagine there haven't been any studies about it one way or the other.<<< No, that's true. But I have seen much disability working with families where there are genetic issues and where there are issues where babies are born to drug addicts creating problems. My hypothesis is this baby will not be very healthy. It will be interesting to see if it is, but I am a little cynical on this one.
213	davewasbaloo Thu 5/1/2008 2:22p	>>>And I just don't see anything wrong with that. But I do see a lot of fear among some that we are somehow losing something as our society changes. I just don't see the changes as a bad thing<<< I disagree. I agree in equality, absolutely. But I also think we are losing something with the lines blurring. I think it's great to wear suits and ties, and to be manly. I like women to be feminin. I think we are losing a lot in the way things are become too PC. I recommend anyone who does not feel this way sees Demolition Man and 1984. I don't want a world like that. I want to admire and be admired. I want my daughter to sway and my son to swagger. I like to cook, I enjoy the arts, cry at movies, and don't like sports. But I also love Cars, women, and adventure. My son is turning out the same. My daughter loves dresses and shoes, as well as cars and Star Wars. to me this is a great balance. But I am a man, my wife is a women, and we have both physiological and psychological differences, and we should be able to celebrate that.
214	plpeters70 Thu 5/1/2008 2:37p	"I recommend anyone who does not feel this way sees Demolition Man and 1984" I guess I just don't see the connection here - how do men and women acting more equal lead to the distopias seen in those movies? "I want my daughter to sway and my son to swagger." But what if you son wants to sway and your daughter swagger? I guess what I mean by equality is really "choice". Men and women now have more choice about who they want to be - they are more equal in being able to choose how they are perceived by the world. If a man wants to be more like what was traditionally seen as feminine, that should be ok. Even in your description of yourself, some of those traits could be seen as traditionally feminine - like cooking and crying at movies. But there's nothing wrong with a man enjoying things like that - and there shouldn't be. Nor should there be anything wrong with women who want to wear suits and run a large corporation. And I'm glad to see that our society is allowing people to act how they want to. Traditional gender roles should not be allowed to stop anyone from living a life that they want.
215	davewasbaloo Thu 5/1/2008 2:47p	I agree with that. My wife is a full time domestic goddess. I am a little jealous. I went to school and post grad, and worked hard (sacrificed a life)for 12 years to get where I am professionally. Sarah is not very academic and is a hard worker. But the reality is, we decided one of us would stay at home and one would work before the kids went to school. I sometimes wish I got the house hubby role as I adore my family. It wasn't to be. And I have worked with and fore some fantastic women. This is not the equality issue I am talking about. As long as it's legal and no one gets hurt, people should be able to do what they want. But when I go into a briefing event I hear there are "too many men there" or am criticised for being in charge because I am a man (rather than the fact I have not had a social life for 12 years) - I get annoyed. Also, I like to open doors for elderly, disabled and women, but then when you are treated for being a sexist pig for being a gentleman, well it's no wonder the world is becoming so selfish. I do think those dystopias are coming in some way.
216	Dabob2 Thu 5/1/2008 2:54p	Sometimes I do too, but it's got nothing to do with gender roles.
217	plpeters70 Thu 5/1/2008 2:55p	"But when I go into a briefing event I hear there are "too many men there" or am criticised for being in charge because I am a man" I believe you have said before you work in government? If so, that may be why you are seeing this more than I think would be normal. It's been my experience that government agencies tend to be more concerned about equality issues than other companies, since they don't want to be perceived as unfair or biased. I know when I work with government agencies here in the US they tend to be more diverse than similar organizations outside the gov't. Of course, it's not such a bad thing that they are trying to diversify. I think it's just things leveling out, and we'll eventually reach more of an equalibrium. People will stop worrying about whether someone is a man, woman, black, white or purple eventually - and we'll just focus on the job qualifications. At least, I hope so. "I do think those dystopias are coming in some way." I'm more concerned about what's going to happen when the oil finally runs out than I am about gender roles creating a dystopia!
218	davewasbaloo Thu 5/1/2008 3:04p	>>>People will stop worrying about whether someone is a man, woman, black, white or purple eventually - and we'll just focus on the job qualifications. At least, I hope so.<<< That would be my wish too. I don't care what someone looks like (as long as they are clean and professional), their gender, race, religion, sexual orientation, ability/disability as long as they are good at what they do and work hard. That's the bottom line.
219	DAR Fri 5/2/2008 10:17a	I didn't think this topic would have lasted this long but it's like it's in a second trimester.
220	alexbook Sat 5/3/2008 3:12p	>>I didn't think this topic would have lasted this long but it's like it's in a second trimester.<< LOL!

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