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Topic: A pregnant man

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81	Mr X Thu 4/10/2008 3:16a	***As I stated before, I just do not agree with the transgender thing. Doesn't make me hateful.*** Actually, no. Disagreeing with it (such as someone saying they think homosexuality is immoral) isn't really hateful. Closed minded, maybe. Calling them disgusting names though? That's hateful. And that's what you did.
82	imadisneygal Thu 4/10/2008 5:34a	I just wanted to clarify something here... Someone who is born with sex characteristics and genetics of both sexes (ie: ovaries and a penis, or another combination of both sexual organs) is called intersexed (not hemaphrodite - that word is not used anymore in medicine or psychology). People who are intersexed often have additional chromosomes so they have the genetics of both sexes. Someone born with the sexual characteristics and chromosomes of ONE sex but feel as though they were born in the wrong body and are truly the opposite gender is transgendered. Gender is the phenotype, or how someone behaves on the outside as opposed to sex or genotype which is the genetics you were born with. Genotype, obviously, never changes while phenotype sometimes does change and does not always match genotype. Additionally, it bothers me to see someone say that they "disagree" with people who are transgendered. It's not something that's available to "disagree" with. It just is. Do some research and look at children who are transgendered. They sometimes resort to mutilation of their own body parts and definitely go through a loathing process and they do not identify with the gender that matches their genes. It's a difficult, often painful process for families. Children go through this process long before reaching sexual maturity so it's not a sexual preference or a "choice." It just is. And referring to any human being as "IT" is callous and uncaring and speaks more about the person saying it than it does about someone who is transgendered. BTW, in the saying "calling it like it is" the "it" refers to the situation, not to another human being. It's different than referring to another human being with feelings, emotions, and pain as an "IT." Very different.
83	imadisneygal Thu 4/10/2008 5:59a	I also wanted to add that sexual orientation is independent of both sex and gender identity. People who are transgendered can be either heterosexual or homosexual. There is a fantastic website/resource for anyone interested in learning more about this. The address is: http://www.imatyfa.org There is a clip on the website from an interview done by the director of TYFA (trans youth family advocates) regarding an 8 year-old transgendered youth in Colorado. The clip explains more about why being transgendered is not a choice any more than having a gender that matches your genetics is a choice. I met Kim Pearson (the director of TYFA and the woman in the interview clip) and her son while completing my psychology degree at San Diego State University. They are fantastic educators and I was honored to meet them.
84	Mr X Thu 4/10/2008 6:19a	***Additionally, it bothers me to see someone say that they "disagree" with people who are transgendered. It's not something that's available to "disagree" with. It just is.*** THANK you. :)
85	Mr X Thu 4/10/2008 6:20a	And I apologize for my use of the term "hermaphrodite" if that is out of use or insulting. I honestly didn't know any other term to describe such a thing.
86	Mr X Thu 4/10/2008 6:25a	***And referring to any human being as "IT" is callous and uncaring and speaks more about the person saying it than it does about someone who is transgendered. BTW, in the saying "calling it like it is" the "it" refers to the situation, not to another human being. It's different than referring to another human being with feelings, emotions, and pain as an "IT." Very different.*** imadisneygal, THANK YOU a million times over for explaining things better than I ever could. I can't tell you how offended I felt about the comments of that particular poster, but at the same time I was far too angry at the sentiment to explain things as rationally as you did. Thank you!
87	imadisneygal Thu 4/10/2008 6:32a	Anytime. I've been there myself! :)
88	disneyland1 Thu 4/10/2008 6:34a	ya know what?? If you will notice the real topic of the section here, you will see it is about someone who was not born with both parts, and had to make a decision about which gender to become. We are talking about someone who grew up a woman, and then for whatever reason, decided to try to be a man, but not all the way. THAT is what I said I did not agree with. MAKING A DECISION to do that. If you are born with 2 parts, -- different story. But, that here does NOT apply. And, I as well as many others have the right to not agree with doing that and bringing a baby into the middle of all that confusion and chaos. And that is what it is, chaos. And if anyone is "offended" here, it is me, being called a bigot by a web- bully like you. You have your opinion, I have mine.
89	disneyland1 Thu 4/10/2008 6:36a	and just like you and some others can stand up for what you think is right, I can do the same. You just choose to become a 3 year old and start to name call.
90	Mr X Thu 4/10/2008 6:48a	***And if anyone is "offended" here, it is me, being called a bigot by a web- bully like you.*** I called you what you are. You can call me names all you want, it doesn't change the facts, or the hatred behind them. You're the one who is calling names here. Calling a transsexual an "it" is the same, or perhaps even worse, than calling a black person a nigger. You disgust me.

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