Disneyland General
Topic: Eisner Friend or Foe to the Park

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51	trekkeruss Wed 4/30/2008 6:16p	<<At one of the most expensive theme parks in the world it is asking a lot of the guest to sit on a bench and watch the exotic botanicals grow then leave at dark.>> You always have the cute little quip, don't you, as if to say that everyone whoois not you must be an idiot. I have heard dozens if not hundreds of times over that people think Disney theming is so good that they can enjoy the parks and never step on a ride. I think DAK is like that, and I am not talking about watching the grass grow. <<i really won't spend more than about 10 mins watching the tigers.>> Then you've missed just about the whole point of the park.
52	dshyates Wed 4/30/2008 6:55p	"I have heard dozens if not hundreds of times over that people think Disney theming is so good that they can enjoy the parks and never step on a ride." I can to, I just won't pay $72 a day. "You always have the cute little quip, don't you, as if to say that everyone whoois not you must be an idiot." Well when I say, "DAK, while lush, was weak when it opened and 10 years later is very little better." And the response is, "ding ding ding ding ding!! That wins the award for one of the more bizarre statements I've ever read on these boards." I may get a little defensive. As I thought my statement was reasoned and non-quippy. And I am not the first person to feel DAK light on attractions. And I was the one who was/is an idiot for not getting how fab the place is. And not everyone who thinks DAK is light on attractions runs from coaster to coaster. Most Disney parks are multi-faceted so that while some things don't appeal to my folks in their 70s, and somethings don't appeal to small childeren there is plenty for everyone to do. DAK you have to like everything to fill up a day. And the stuff I do skip repeating are usually the shows, not the animal attractions. You know I don't feel like sitting through Pocahantas everytime we go. We have never skiped the festival of the Lion King though. You would have to pay me to sit through Tarzan Suck! again. But I am interested in seeing Nemo. I like Flights of Wonder. The last time I was there I skipped Dinosaur. Its not about thrills, its about there not be a whole lot there to do.
53	dshyates Wed 4/30/2008 6:56p	And I am far more likely to "just hang" at world showcase.
54	davewasbaloo Thu 5/1/2008 12:07a	Interesting dsyates, but the funny thing is for me, DAK is one of my fav parks on the planet. And after spending 2 days there last vacation, we still did not get everything done! Then again we spend about an hour in each main animal attraction, and feel watching the live performers are as big attraction as say EE! I do happily pay the fees for the parks and sit, because I do not know of any other lushly themed places you can go for one day. I also am ok with early closure because we just hop to my other fav park, Epcot. Would I like more in the park - absolutely, if quality. WOuld I like it to be open at night? Definitely. But I also do not find it slight. Then again, I have been known to spend a day at DLP simply soaking in the vibe, having a shave and a haircut and a three course meal! It is for these reasons I get het up when disney cut corners or rely on stupid cartoon characters. I have no desire to go then. To me these days, the attractions are good, but in some ways they have become secondary. I love the settings and the live entertainment, offered in a safe family friendly environment.
55	dshyates Thu 5/1/2008 5:16a	"and feel watching the live performers are as big attraction as say EE!" If you are referig to show like lk and nemo. If you are refering to streetmoshere. I would disagree. Dapper Dans does not equal Pirates of the Carribean nd I would venture mosttheme park purchasing public would agree. That doen't mean I knock them over rushing past them to get to the coasters. We stop we stand there and listen for a couple of songs, laugh, take a few pictures and move on. We don't pull up a piece of sidewalk and sit down with a snack. And when you say yo spend an hour at each animal exhibit. Do you mean yo spend an hour in the Pangini Jungle Trek, or you spend an hour at the tigers then another hour at the bats, and another hour at the apes? Because, even though we have never time ourselves, I would guess we spend just at an hour in Pangini. That and Rafki's is where we spend the most time with the animals. How much time can one spend watching a tiger sleep against a wall. I would love to spend the evening there having a fine dinner and drinks. But RfC doesn't fit that bill. I haven't been sinc Y&Y opened, but it was definitely needed. And YOU don't have a problem with being kicked out at dusk because ou have an AP or parkhopper and CAN hop over to one of the other parks. It is hard to excuse the parks weaknesses to the single day/single park admission media buyer who already paid the $72., by saying Just hop over to Epcot to fill out the remainder of the day. The fact you do that reinforces my point that the park is slight. I said it was slight. I didn't say it is a steaming pile like DCA is. Sorry Dave, I know you love DCA. I personally feel DCA is so bad it did lasting damage to the Disney Brand.
56	davewasbaloo Thu 5/1/2008 5:31a	ist of all - Yes, I find the Dapper Dans or the African Dance Group or the Percussion Groups to be as important as PotC and if we are talking WDW, even more so as the MK version depresses me. To me at Epcot Mo'Rockin, the Chinese Acrobats and the other performers of World Showcase are e-tickets. Also, I would never pay $1000's of dollars in airfare for a 1 day ticket. I treat them as resorts, and make sure I have tickets where I can do what I want when I want e.g. hoppers. That's why I hate these upsell parties so much in the MK. So no, different hours don't bother me. Animal exhibits, I meant the whole trail, though if the animals are active, we have been known to spend an hour just with the tigers (when they were playing). And I would rather go the DCA than the MK or DHS, or any and all non Disney parks.
57	dshyates Thu 5/1/2008 5:32a	And i also believe that how often you visit has a lot to do with how willing you are to just sit and soak. You guys obviously go to the parks WAY more often than I do. You are far more likely at DL to see an AP holder sitting and soaking than a family that will be there for 2 days this decade. Its like asking a kid to take a nap at the Circus. If you've been at the Circus long enough it might be possible.
58	dshyates Thu 5/1/2008 5:42a	"Also, I would never pay $1000's of dollars in airfare for a 1 day ticket." So, are so saying its not worth the $72/day? When I went the first time, I lived 23 miles from the park and paid the full one day admission price. Which at that point was, I believe, $54. Didn't have a parkhopper, and ate dinner at home and spent the evening watching cable.
59	davewasbaloo Thu 5/1/2008 5:45a	Well not frequently. We have been to WDW twice in the last 10 years, and DL twice in the last 10 years. But commando style does not feel like a vacation. Maybe because we go longer: 1998 - DLP for 2 trips - 3 days and 6 days 1999 - 10 trips to DLP for between 3 - 9 days 2000 - WDW for 14 days - inc. USO, SW, and KSC 2002 - DLP for the opening of WDSP, DL for 10 days with side trips to the SD Zoo, KBF and USH 2003 - 2 trips to DLP 5 days each (having our son slowed us down) 2004 - No Disney - bought a house and couldn't afford to go. 2005 - 4 trips to DLP - between 4 - 7 days each 2006 - 1 week DLP, 13 days at WDW (didn't leave property) 2007 - 2 weeks at DLP (including numerous side trips) 2008 - 6 days at DL (planning a couple of trips to DLP) So, for people in the UK we go often, but there are many more that go more often. But it's my vacation. I go,go,go all week every week - meetings, appointments, deadlines, travel. The last thing I want is to go, go, go on vacation. Some people pay a fortune to go and lay by a pool in the Carribean, Egypt, Dubai etc. Some people pay a premium to go to a city to basically get drunk. Me, I like to window shop, wear silly ears, skip to music hand in hand with my family, watch streetmousphere, take in a show etc. I like to take my kids to nice restaurants where they are readily accepted. So I am willing to pay that sort of money. Now, as the stores lose their luster and stock cheap junk, and the restaurants are homoginized and offer the same 5 - 9 items throughout resort, the entertainment lessens to incorporate rubber heads everywhere, and the attractions lose their meanings in the name of synergy, relevence and thrills. Well frankly, I might stop going. I was on the cusp until our trip to California in Feb/March. But the GCH and the parks in California showed me they still work their magic. Just not so much in Florida, except Epcot and DAK.
60	dshyates Thu 5/1/2008 5:45a	And I definitly felt that had we spent our $54 at one of the more well rounded parks in town we would have gotten a better value and a full days worth of entertainment.

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