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Topic: Eisner Friend or Foe to the Park

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61	davewasbaloo Thu 5/1/2008 5:56a	>>>"Also, I would never pay $1000's of dollars in airfare for a 1 day ticket." So, are so saying its not worth the $72/day? When I went the first time, I lived 23 miles from the park and paid the full one day admission price. Which at that point was, I believe, $54. Didn't have a parkhopper, and ate dinner at home and spent the evening watching cable<<< No, what I am saying is I am not going to really worry about what 1 day tickets cost. I think about what is the value I derive in the timeframe I am there. And I think DAK is a bargain at $72, considering other much lesser parks full of steel and no substance charge similar, or here in Europe even more. A day at Alton Towers (the UK's premier park - think 6 Flags meets Cypress Gardens) charges $65 a day, with no live entertainment, nothing really for families to do together, horrid food at rediculous prices. I stopped going about 7 years ago (though I do track their projects hoping for a turn around). To me DAK is worth 10 - 20 Alton Towers, even though AT has supposedly "more to do". We also live near 2 internationally reknowned zoological parks (one zoo, one safari park)- they charge $45 to get in and have no theming, attractions, shows (other than some animal displays) and they have about the same number of animals as DAK. To me, $72 is a bargain. Also, I looked into taking Mikey to see the Lion King in London. The cheapest tickets are $80 each. While Nemo is not quite on par, if you look at just that one show (running half that time), if you just do that, it is $40 value, add FotLK I suppose there's your admission ticket, without counting the animals, attractions etc. I also see my $72 adding to the cost of animal care and the conservation effort, which is key at DAK. DAK and the San Diego Zoo have some of the best track records for the reproduction of endangered species. For that alone, I feel the $72 is worth it. So, in short, I would not call DAK light. Yes, I would love more, just as I love encores at a good concert. I would just say it's not for you, just like I have not stepped foot in a Six Flags park for over 25 years, and I am unlikely to step foot in a Cedar Fair park either.
62	davewasbaloo Thu 5/1/2008 5:57a	>>>And I definitly felt that had we spent our $54 at one of the more well rounded parks in town we would have gotten a better value and a full days worth of entertainment.<<< And that is how I feel about the MK.
63	dshyates Thu 5/1/2008 6:00a	Here is our track record since we moved out of florida in 2000. 2001 DLR-3 days (may), DLR-4 days (Dec) 2002-DLR-4 days 2006-WDW-6 days 2007-USF/SW(no Disney)-6 days. You obviously have a lot more money and free time than I do. I get one week (5 days) vacation a year.
64	davewasbaloo Thu 5/1/2008 6:03a	We get 5 weeks of vacation a year excluding public holidays. One of the many reasons I like the UK! But I think I can understand a little better your feelings. Personally I hate the lack of vacation time in the US. I would hate to be on the go alllllllll the time. I need some breaks.
65	davewasbaloo Thu 5/1/2008 6:06a	As for money, well we don't really drink, we don't smoke, we don't go out much between vacations, we don't wear designer clothes. Our money pays for us to live, some treats for the kids, museums and vacations.
66	dshyates Thu 5/1/2008 6:15a	And I'm a news photographer that involves me driving an average of 150 miles at day at light speed everywhere we go. So I live everyday in an extremely fast paced, high stress job. Nothing like getting shot at. So theme park a go-go IS slowing it down. Because of my job i have found that my natural pace is enough to kill the elderly.
67	dshyates Thu 5/1/2008 6:18a	And when i get my 6 days at Disney that I paid a billion $$$$ for. I feel like I have "Restless Body Syndrome" when I try to sit and soak. I feel I am wasting time and money.
68	davewasbaloo Thu 5/1/2008 6:42a	>>>And when i get my 6 days at Disney that I paid a billion $$$$ for. I feel like I have "Restless Body Syndrome" when I try to sit and soak. I feel I am wasting time and money.<<< Well, that is interesting. I see people pay that to go to the Seycelles, Mauritus, the Caymens to basicaly sit and get drunk in the sun. Those people are not like you and I. I used to be a lot more like you. I felt I had to go go go. But once I was forced to take it in my stride (taking babies seems to do that), I found I enjoy it even more that way. We took Lulu and Dr Frootloop around DLP commando style (12 attractions, parade, Tarzan, a nice meal, and exploration of all the nuances of the park). We had a great day (in the park Eisner green lit - nod to topic), but we were exhausted that evening and the next day. Tempers can get freyed (see all the parents screaming at their kids around Disney parks). I much rather take our time and smell the roses - though I still find the fact that we spent 6 days at DL and still didn't see Billy Hill, ride Peter Pan, climb the treehouse, see ITTBAB, and miss a few other attractions to be increadible. But we had a blast. Just being in a Disney park makes me happy. Makes me feel like the money is worth while. If they ruin it like Cedar Fair ruined Knott's Berry Farm, then I would not feel the same way. And I think this highlights my point. Cedar Fair has put more to do attraction wise in KBF, and in doing so there is little reason for us to go. Everything that made it special and unique was ripped out to make it relevent. I believe they have financially suffered as a result. CF put in steel, Disney are putting in toons. Same difference really. And Disney may suffer as a result too.
69	mawnck Thu 5/1/2008 7:00a	<-------- apparently the only guy in the world who actually LIKED Tarzan Rocks. Wow, that's weird.
70	dshyates Thu 5/1/2008 7:00a	"I see people pay that to go to the Seycelles, Mauritus, the Caymens to basicaly sit and get drunk in the sun. Those people are not like you and I." See, If I want a sit and soak vacation, I go to Key Largo. That way I am not surrounded by 47 square miles of frenetic fun. And I'm not paying $72/day on top of lodging to sit. This, on my limited budget, soothes my mind better.

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