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Topic: Fox News: History At Its Best

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31	gadzuux Tue 4/29/2008 4:42p	The problem with the "point/counterpoint" setup with maddow and buchanan is that they frequently agree. Part of this is because day to day issues have one glaringly obvious 'view' and part is because buchanan has been actively moderating his politics from his earlier troglodyte days. And the only people who give fox news any credence at all are the people that want their news filtered through a partisan prism for them. Everybody else sees it for exactly what it is - one sided advocacy.
32	alexbook Tue 4/29/2008 4:45p	>>L: "The concept of African slavery and human chattel are a moral crime." D: "I know." L: "Oh yeah."<< LOL
33	woody Tue 4/29/2008 5:01p	I know you guys hate FOX news, but you fail to note when the other news stations get things wrong. This is a sign of your own bias. Don't forget that FOX is only one cable news channel. CNN and MSNBC have a bigger presence on cable yet they get things wrong more often by definition since they have more hours to burn. Don't forget the wonderful lefty/liberal commentators like Keith Olberman, Chris Matthews, and Chris Anderson. >>And the only people who give fox news any credence at all are the people that want their news filtered through a partisan prism for them. Everybody else sees it for exactly what it is - one sided advocacy. << Maybe they want a little balance. It isn't nefarious to expect news to advance your point of view or merely to allow it.
34	Kar2oonMan Tue 4/29/2008 7:22p	>>but you fail to note when the other news stations get things wrong<< That isn't true. During the CBS Rathergate memo incident, I posted here about why I thought the memo was forged and why I thought it was deliberate. This slip up was Fox this time. When another network does it, we'll joke about that, too.
35	Kar2oonMan Tue 4/29/2008 7:24p	>>Part of this is because day to day issues have one glaringly obvious 'view' << Yep. And some issues, like an obvious goof up like this one, really don't have a "side" to it other. Not everything is a left/right issue.
36	FerretAfros Tue 4/29/2008 7:34p	"You know 80% of FOX News viewers still think Saddam Hussain played a vital role in the execution of the 9/11 attacks." I'd say that says more about the American public in general than it does about Fox. Just because you don't agree with everything other people say doesn't mean it's wrong. As a conservative person, I find a whole bunch of stuff that's said all over the place (TV, radio, internet, your posts) absolutely rediculous. However, I don't really say anything about it. I guess that's one of the downfalls of being conservative, I tend to fall into the 'silent majority', even if it isn't the majority these days. I tend to not voice my opinion because I know it will simply be put down immediately as being fed by propoganda and all sorts of other silly statements, when my thoughts are just as valid as yours. The difference is that I actually do some thinking of my own, and don't just go with the majority, even if I am silent for the most part. Following what mainstream media says is the easy thing to do. They say that there have been difficulties in Iraq, so that means to everybody it's time to get out. I disagree with that entirely. Reconstructing a country takes a very long time. Sure, there are still a lot of people over there who are fighting against us, but every couple weeks I read a new article about how much the standard of living has improved in the past few years, and I know we're helping a lot more people than are being harmed. There are still troops in Germany as left overs from World War II, so I don't think anybody with half a brain really thinks that we will leave Iraq any time soon. I know this is a little off topic, but I'm just using it as an example as to how other mainstream media outlets can propoganda with the best of them, and that Fox isn't alone with showing a bias. Welcome to America, where we welcome people of differing opinions. In fact, we were founded on different opinions. Sure, everybody makes a mistake from time to time. Ultimately, I really don't think that this one matters as much as so many others. If it means that much to you, that says more about you and your sad life than anything else, IMO.
37	woody Tue 4/29/2008 7:35p	>>This slip up was Fox this time. When another network does it, we'll joke about that, too.<< Yes, every station is wrong at some point, but the tone of this thread is to slam FOX based on their perceived bias. Funny how bias is such a problem with FOX and not CBS, MSNBC, CNN.
38	gadzuux Tue 4/29/2008 7:46p	The whole "rather-gate" memo thing allowed disingenuous conservatives to dismiss the entirety of the AWOL bush story just because of the one piece of flawed (or faked) evidence. It doesn't matter to them that the gist of the story was still accurate. I suppose there's some divine justice in that, and it's just so much water under the bridge anyway now that bush has nearly completed his second term. But it still points out that conservatives don't want to hear anything that conflicts with their world view. This is how GOP operatives like rove were able to portray kerry - an actual decorated military combat leader - as a treasonous traitor. While bush - who ducked military service and actually DID go AWOL - is a principled and brave warrior. This isn't easy to do. It requires both halves to be manipulated - a dumbcluck voting block AND a compliant media. Luckily for the republican party, they have both right in the ol' pocket - the christian right and fox news. With this potent combination, "truth" becomes whatever they say it is.
39	DlandDug Tue 4/29/2008 7:55p	Oh brother. >>From working in the news business I can tell you a mistake like that could almost never happen, and would certainly get you fired.<< You mean like when CNN ran a graphis of Osama bin Laden with the boldly printed caption, "WHERE"S OBAMA?" http://algraffix.nstemp.com/ob...sama.jpg >>I don't for a second believe it was a mistake.<< Then your bias is showing. ALL the 24/7 news nets make mistakes. All of them. >>FOX viewers ARE dumb enough to PERCIEVE and uneducated enough to believe...<< At least this one is smart enough to know to spell words correctly when making a big point about education. (Hint: it's "perceive." You know, "I before E, EXCEPT after C.") >>Since most of them don't know Fredrick Douglas from Steven Douglas.<< Well, Frederick Douglass was the abolitionist and Steven Douglas was the father on My Three Sons. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0053525/ Stephen A. Douglas, on the other hand, was a Congressman from Illinois who famously debated Lincoln. http://bioguide.congress.gov/s...=D000457 Anything else?
40	DlandDug Tue 4/29/2008 7:56p	P.S. I do hope that your work in the "news business" doesn't involve creating on screen graphics. One mistake and you'd be FIRED!!!

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