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Topic: My Kid Could Paint That

#	Author	Message
61	Ursula Wed 5/7/2008 4:40p	>>"Through his paintings trickles a current of double nostalgia - on the one hand, for the closed-off "heroic" possibilities of Modernism and, on the other, for the ancient Mediterranean world, experienced at a remove by living in modern Italy. Love (or its facsimile) among the ruins. "<< I always think that people who speak like this about art are really, really trying to not let it slip that they haven't a clue. Or that they are trying to trick someone in the room into believing it, too. Then when that person leaves, the speaker has a laugh at their expense.
62	mele Wed 5/7/2008 4:53p	Wow, who knew politics and art had so much in common?
63	mawnck Wed 5/7/2008 6:32p	I recall reading once a story about a John and Yoko album. Test pressings were sent out to some reviewers, with side 1 on one disc, and side 2 on the other. On the reverse sides, the pressing plant put a silent groove, as pressing plants often did in these cases. You guessed it ... one reviewer mistook it for a double album, and spent a few paragraphs heaping gushing praise on the blank sides. (He didn't care for the rest of it.) Something about being utterly fascinated by the sound of a faint musical tone that seemed to raise and lower slightly throughout the sides. Apparently his stereo had a 60 cycle hum. In any case, we're arguing semantics here. Who cares what you call it? If you want to buy it and hang it in your house, great. It's art. If not, great. It isn't. No biggie.
64	Liberty Belle Wed 5/7/2008 7:32p	>>It cracks me up that some here feel they know what art is -- and what isn't! Right on, man. Keep on truckin'<<< With all due respect Jim, isn't that what you are doing?<< Yes, I agree with this - and I don't mean that in a negative way. Art is different things to different people. Everyone's just sharing their opinions of what art is to them. Therefore, if we are saying "I know what art is" by saying we don't like abstract art, then Jim and others are saying it just as much by saying they do like it. I personally am not a fan of abstract art, but I don't hate it or anything. It's just not my cup of tea. The things I love in the art world would be hated by many others, and a lot of them would probably find my tastes unsophisticated, which I'm sure they are to someone who's taken art classes. Doesn't make either of us wrong or right. Oh, and I love the Disneyland attraction posters that Jim mentioned earier. But my favourite piece of "art" is a photo I took of the Disneyland train coming into New Orleans Square station, which I got framed onto a big canvas. Now that's MY kind of artwork :D
65	Jim in Merced CA Wed 5/7/2008 8:30p	>>It cracks me up that some here feel they know what art is -- and what isn't! Right on, man. Keep on truckin'<<< With all due respect Jim, isn't that what you are doing?<< Well... I feel there is a difference between saying 'I don't like that painting, it doesn't move me.' and... 'I could do that.' The first statement suggests that you just don't like it. The second statement dismisses the whole thing as bogus -- some even suggesting that there's some sort of conspiracy/scam going on so that artists can make money off of stuff 'I could do.' That's my issue.
66	beamerdog Wed 5/7/2008 8:46p	Hey Kar2oonMan, that first one was scary - kinda like a dissection I did once in class. It's funny how I tend to like the "flat" forms of modern art better than one like your first choice, lol.
67	Ursula Thu 5/8/2008 9:57a	Jim, I think that I differ from your opnions in that saying "I could do that" is that I CAN do that. So can a lot of other people. But I can't do a Van Dyke if my life depended on it, and very few people can. There very well can be a scam going on for modern scribble art, but who is to say what is art? Everyone is, and they back it up by paying $xx,xxx for a doodle. More power to them. Honestly, I think people like me who say, "I can do that" is really just pissy that they are NOT making $xx,xxx for a similar painting. And 2oony, if I were the guy who did the photorealistic manhole cover who got splattered with red paint, I'd be furious. I don't care what others would think about how great it looked after the fact.
68	Kar2oonMan Thu 5/8/2008 10:27a	>>The second statement dismisses the whole thing as bogus -- some even suggesting that there's some sort of conspiracy/scam going on so that artists can make money off of stuff 'I could do.'<< Yes, which is exactly the undercurrent of the movie. If a 4 year old can create modern art that sells, is it because she is a budding genius? Or, is she simply pulling the mask off abstract art and revealing it to be a scam? Are people buying her art because it is good, or because it might be worth a lot more money in the future? And if she was assisted, does that mean that there's really more to creating an abstract than meets the eye? Maybe it isn't as simple as it looks? Is the art itself better or worse if it was created by a 4 year old alone, or if she had a lot of help from dear old dad? If no one knew the age of the artist, would it have attracted any notice at all? Like I said, lots to think about, and no easy answers.
69	Kar2oonMan Thu 5/8/2008 10:37a	>>And 2oony, if I were the guy who did the photorealistic manhole cover who got splattered with red paint, I'd be furious. I don't care what others would think about how great it looked after the fact.<< He was at first. Then he kind of developed a sense of humor over the whole thing. The point of it was that, in my view, Mr. Blank Canvas was full of beans. I don't believe he was suddenly struck with any inspiration other than "If I don't turn something in, I get an F in this class and my folks stop sending checks." That said, creating art for money (or a grade) doesn't mean it isn't art. I'm a commercial artist and my work won't ever be in any museum. It's disposable. Yesterday I spoke at the jr. high "Career Day." Four 30 minute sessions. In each session, we spent most of the time drawing stuff. Cartoon sharks, tigers, penguins, dinosaurs, whatever the kids came up with. At the end of it, they'd all followed the step-by-steps along with me, and no two looked exactly alike. But if they thought they could never learn to draw, they now can do a passable shark, tiger, dinosaur, etc. The chef in Ratatouille said "Anyone can cook." I say, "Anyone can draw." (Except, maybe, a rat.)
70	Liberty Belle Thu 5/8/2008 5:09p	>>The second statement dismisses the whole thing as bogus -- some even suggesting that there's some sort of conspiracy/scam going on so that artists can make money off of stuff 'I could do.'<< I did say that my friend should consider that *some* artists liked to make money off paintings that "I could do" - but I wasn't saying I think the whole medium is worthless! Rather, I was trying to make her (my friend) see that there were OTHER opinions out there than just "all abstract art is fabulous". Basically, she was saying our other friend was stupid for not appreciating the significance of abstract art. I was trying to get her to see that there are other viewpoints about art, and hers isn't necessarily right (of course, she doesn't see it like that!)

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