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Topic: My Kid Could Paint That

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71	Jim in Merced CA Fri 5/9/2008 7:08a	I don't necessarily feel that someone is stupid for not appreciating abstract art. I can't force another person to feel anything. I do find it extremely dismissive when someone says 'I can do that' when it comes to abstract art.
72	Goofyernmost Fri 5/9/2008 11:19a	So, no, we are not talking about exact duplication. I can't speak for others, but, I can throw paint on a canvas and if I'm lucky and it lands right, someone may call it art. I would continue to call it "paint thrown on a canvas". Some of the things that Kar2oonMan posted as examples... http://www.xoospace.com/myspac...5380.jpg http://images.art.com/images/P...4731.jpg http://www.artbylt.com/Images/...n500.jpg http://clarke-abstract-art.com...-red.jpg I kinda liked them all. They had form and structure and required imagination and skill. It is art to me. If you want to discuss splattering paint on an object that requires the ability to move ones arm and very little else. To be able to do that is not art and even though I cannot exactly duplicate what was done, I can come close enough. This coming from one that can barely do a paint by numbers. I know what I like and I know what I can appreciate. I think I have made a good vision of what I consider the difference. The only selling point for the splatters, that I can see, would be the fact that there would not be another one just like it anywhere. One of a kind. Still not enough for me to call it art.
73	Jim in Merced CA Fri 5/9/2008 11:47a	Hi Goofyernmost. Thanks for continuing this discussion. It's been helpful to me to read other's viewpoints. My responses here are more lighthearted than they read. And I'm using your quotes just so I can 'converse' better with you. <If you want to discuss splattering paint on an object that requires the ability to move ones arm and very little else.> This is the kind of sentence that I find so dismissive. It suggests that the artist is doing nothing artistic. That he only uses his arm? Kar2oonMan only uses his hand! But he creates wonderful pictures called cartoons! This same statement also seems to suggest that the observer knows what is art -- and what isn't art. <To be able to do that is not art> See, I think it is art. It's all art. It might not appeal to you. But it's still art. <and even though I cannot exactly duplicate what was done, I can come close enough.> Those of you who say this, that you can duplicate it. Have you ever done it? Have you gotten a canvas and tubes of paints and splattered it onto the canvas? First, I'd bet you'd find that it's not as easy as all that. Second, if you have. Congratulations! You've created art!!!
74	mele Fri 5/9/2008 1:18p	One of the reasons why I think it's hard to judge art (other than how it makes us personally feel) is that art is completely unnecessary. No one needs it to live (although, as a creative person, I do need creative outlets to thrive, but literally survive, no.) Or maybe that's just one of the things I find interesting about it. It's unnecessary, really, but is it truly? But then, when a dictatorship takes over a country, art (and all forms or expression) are usually one of the first things to be outlawed. These countries are dismal places and it seems that when you look at the people, they look so drab and unhappy. As if art not only brings color to the walls, it brings color to the people. I'm rambling. I don't really have a point.
75	Goofyernmost Fri 5/9/2008 3:00p	My position is that if you view something as art then it is art...if you don't then it is not. Art to me is totally subjective. I will not accept something as art simply because someone else says so. It must move me and it must be something that is visually (in this case) appealing. And just for giggles, if you can tell me what more is involved with random splashes then arm motion I will concede. To me to be artistic it must have form and purpose. To me that's the way it is, for others, it's whatever floats one's boat. I guess what I am trying to say is that art isn't recognised as art until someone acknowledges it. To some the things that I have described as "splotches" are considered art. I will forever consider them splotches. I do not enjoy it, I do not appreciate it and I would never buy it. It is a personal choice. Being that I am in the transportation industry I might consider skillful negotiation of a large vehicle in traffic an art. And to me it is. To others, not so much. The definition of Art cannot be defined in Black and White. Tee Hee...he said Black & White. That would be an artistic phrase.
76	Dabob2 Fri 5/9/2008 3:56p	<But then, when a dictatorship takes over a country, art (and all forms or expression) are usually one of the first things to be outlawed. These countries are dismal places and it seems that when you look at the people, they look so drab and unhappy.> Yeah, like Pepperland after the Blue Meanies invaded. :) <As if art not only brings color to the walls, it brings color to the people.> Like when the Beatles rode to the rescue. (I'm not making fun - it's a serious point, and very true.)
77	mele Fri 5/9/2008 5:23p	I swear, I was not high when I posted that. LOL
78	mele Sat 9/13/2008 7:00p	So, I'm half way through watching this documentary. (My cousin is doing the 3-Day Cancer Walk and I had to run out and cheer her on so had to stop watching the dvd.) I really laughed when one collector was pointing out a door in the painting, and the two people he saw standing in the door. He also saw a sonogram-like image of a baby above the door and he was very moved by this all. Okay, fine. But the part that really made me laugh was when he said he asked Marla if she saw these things and she said she didn't. Uh, no kidding, Sherlock. Anyway, the men of the house have taken over the living room to watch football so I'm going to finish watching it in my room. So far, it is pretty fascinating.

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