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| DyGDisney
Thu 5/15/2008 9:37a | My brother sent me these words to a NOFX song which seems just as appropriate to this topic as my Green Day quote:
"someone flopped a steamer in the gene pool
now angry mob mentality's no longer the exception, it's the rule
and i'm starting to feel a lot like charlton heston
stranded on a primate planet
apes and orangutans that ran it to the ground
with generals and the armies that obeyed them
followers following fables
philosophies that enable them to rule without regard
there's no point for democracy when ignorance is celebrated" |
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| mrkthompsn
Fri 5/16/2008 7:51p | I just jumped into this thread for the first time, but just wanted to have my little say:
Clinton's legacy spilled over and caused Bush's failure. Clinton's legacy was that he made the American populace comfortable with plundering their own national treasury. Bush just expanded on that American comfort - especially once it became an expectation. Clinton created the neoconservatives. |
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| SingleParkPassholder
Fri 5/16/2008 10:48p | Don't do drugs. |
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| DyGDisney
Fri 5/16/2008 10:55p | RE post 212:
HUH???????????? |
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| DyGDisney
Fri 5/16/2008 11:00p | Oh, here's an interesting wesite to check out about neoconservatism.
http://www.antiwar.com/orig/lind1.html |
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| Dabob2
Sat 5/17/2008 2:29p | <Clinton's legacy was that he made the American populace comfortable with plundering their own national treasury.>
Huh? Clinton reduced the deficits that exploded under Reagan and Bush I, and actually created a surplus briefly. But you'll believe what you wish. |
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| ecdc
Sat 5/17/2008 3:12p | >>Huh? Clinton reduced the deficits that exploded under Reagan and Bush I, and actually created a surplus briefly. But you'll believe what you wish.<<
It really is amazing, isn't it. Black becomes white and up becomes down in these people's world. |
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| X-san
Sat 5/17/2008 4:58p | ***Frankly, I don't really care what it was. We've been safe for over six years, and it has to be more than dumb luck. In spite of its many flaws I will always appreciate the fact that the Bush administration has successfully fought terrorism in the United States...***
Exactly how many foreign terrorist attacks have occurred on American soil since the founding of the nation? |
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| mrkthompsn
Sat 5/17/2008 7:32p | <Huh? Clinton reduced the deficits that exploded under Reagan and Bush I, and actually created a surplus briefly. But you'll believe what you wish.>
I'm not refering to deficits and balanced budgets. I'm talking about the actual amount of money SPENT.
Woodrow Wilson brought about the concept of deficit spending. FDR lived out of national desparation using deficit spending. Reagan was forced into deficit spending by Democrat congress budgets. Bush Sr. tried to cut it (with little help from his Democrat congress). Clinton ignored deficit spending. With the populace conditioned to massive government spending, he just enjoyed spending period - and the highest amount of taxation in history to compensate.
Note that Clinton balanced his budget simply by stroking his pen. It was the Republican congress that wrote the bills that enabled the budget to be balanced. Even then, it did nothing about the deficits of years passed. Balance budgets are not nearly enough. They only balance one year - supposedly.
Americans have been further conditioned to trust that massive spending continues to be OK.
It's not OK. Hence Bush has failed. And Clinton formulated the trend into this administration.
My only hope is the Obama will end the trend. But I highly doubt it will happen. We will continue to spend an unthinkable amount of money that will never be payed off even beyond our great, great grandchildren. |
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| EighthDwarf
Sat 5/17/2008 9:10p | "Americans have been further conditioned to trust that massive spending continues to be OK."
You know that Bush has been the worst ever at this, right? And he had a Republican congress for several years so you can't blame the dems for it.
Republicans spend. Dems tax and spend - but at least they have figured out a way to pay for things and keep deficits down.
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