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361	SingleParkPassholder Wed 6/25/2008 5:34a	And that's the supreme arrogance coming through. He doesn't have opinions, he espouses the "truth." That's dangerous thinking, to be sure.
362	DouglasDubh Wed 6/25/2008 5:52a	<Instead of responding like this every time and proving our point, maybe, since so many people are telling you this, it's advisable to do some reflecting and consider whether it's true.> Maybe, instead of constantly making personal comments, you could stick to the issues.
363	SingleParkPassholder Wed 6/25/2008 8:10a	Hey kids, I tried.
364	Dabob2 Wed 6/25/2008 10:00a	<<#277 disproved your claim that "the truth is that President Reagan raised both military spending and revenues, but not by as much as the Democrats raised domestic.">> <So you admit it didn't show what you claimed earlier?> Nice try. They are two separate issues. If I respond to one, it doesn't mean I'm wrong on the other. <It also didn't disprove my claim. Under President Reagan, military spending did go up about 140 billion. Revenue, meanwhile, went up almost 500 billion. So military spending can't be blamed.> Blatant moving of the goalposts. You said "the truth is that President Reagan raised both military spending and revenues, but not by as much as the Democrats raised domestic." Note the last part of the sentence. I disproved that. Discretionary spending was CUT. So what, exactly did Democrats raise? You can't count things like interest on the national debt (itself raised because of Reagan's deficits). <<Meanwhile, I asked you for evidence ages ago that Reagan ever submitted a budget that the Democrats changed more than a few percentage points in overall spending. You couldn't. So the point remains - the Congresses tinkered and restored a few cuts, re-shuffled a couple of others, but essentially accepted the Reagan budgets as offered, which included larger deficits than any under Carter or Ford or Nixon... If you can show otherwise, please do.>> <No, that point doesn't remain. You don't get to define what constitutes "tinkering". Increasing a budget by a few percentage points is much more than "tinkering".> No, it isn't. And I didn't think you could show any different. <The bottom line is Democrats always adjust spending upward - they are not the party of fiscal discipline.> The bottom line is that you are too blinded by ideology to see that NEITHER party has been terrific on fiscal discipline, but the Republicans lately have been even worse than the Democrats.
365	Dabob2 Wed 6/25/2008 10:03a	<Instead of responding like this every time and proving our point, maybe, since so many people are telling you this, it's advisable to do some reflecting and consider whether it's true.> SPP, I tried this long ago. Doug used to be much better than this, and often worth debating, before he became a parody of himself. I asked him to consider, since so many people were telling him this, and lampooning him, and asking him to cut out the nonsense, that perhaps - just perhaps - he might step back, take an honest look at himself, and see if there was anything to it. I sincerely hoped that he would, because Doug without the nonsense is worth debating. But he wouldn't take an honest look, and just lashed out, as he's done here again.

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