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Topic: Why TSM is DANGEROUS...

#	Author	Message
1	HMButler79 Mon 5/5/2008 8:48a	This is the pinnacle, the entire culmination of the Fitzgerald,Pressler,Rasulo way of Imagineering. This is a wet dream. A ride through attraction that relies COMPLETLY on ONE gimmick. TV Screens. There are NO Sets, NO AAs, NO FX, not well, NOTHING. This is what Fitz and Pressler wanted back in the 90s. This attraction could set a dangerous precedent.
2	Mr X Mon 5/5/2008 8:50a	Um, dangerous? It's an amusement park ride, right?
3	Jim in Merced CA Mon 5/5/2008 8:56a	Okay, X... The point is that staring a large TV screens is a much different experience than looking at 3-D AA figures, and immersive environments. That said, I saw a YouTube ride-through of the new 'Simpsons' simulator ride at Universal Studios -- bleccch!
4	utahjosh Mon 5/5/2008 9:15a	The word dangerous here isn't meant as danger = causing harm to people. But dangerous in the realm of quality theme pare rides, That it's a slippery slope in setting a bad precedent. Mr X what were you really trying to say in post 2?
5	Mr X Mon 5/5/2008 9:32a	Well I guess I was saying that we should stop with the silly hyperbole...obviously the company is fed up enough with internet whackado's claiming the sky is falling whenever they come up with a sub-par amusement park ride. As to the argument, I don't see such a precedent here. They've already made plenty of crappy rides, heck even crappy parks. How is this any different?
6	DlandDug Mon 5/5/2008 9:39a	May I assume the OP has been through this attraction? The assertion, "There are NO Sets, NO AAs, NO FX, not well, NOTHING." is false, based on all available information. No sets? This shows a lack of understanding of what constitutes a set. The queue area, which has been seen, is very well themed, and includes set elements. The interior, as I understand, includes sets that are used as transitions and to frame the projection screens. These are not three dimensional sets, but then, neither are the sets in many other attractions. The original Fantasyland dark rides that were enjoyed by millions from 1955 until the makeover in 1983 were largely flat painted sets. No AAs? Based on what we have heard, none inside the attraction. There is an AA of Mr. Potato Head outside the attraction. This is a very large, very sophisticated figure that will interact with guests standing in line, or strolling the boardwalk. That aside, AA figures do NOT define classic Disney theme park attractions. There were no AAs until 1963. Since then, not every great attraction has included AAs. No FX? This is the really wrong headed contention. The entire attraction is an FX. It is not just a "TV screen" that people ride past. It is a series of very large projections, featuring state of the art computer animated figures, that guests interact with in a way that is both technically sophisticated and story driven. It is anyone's privilege to dislike TSMM. But base that on something realistic, rather than a deceptive description that is not based on what we all know.
7	Jim in Merced CA Mon 5/5/2008 9:41a	^^^Thanks for the recap.
8	Mr X Mon 5/5/2008 10:19a	To play devils advocate here, isn't Spiderman over at Universal essentially just movie screens? Granted there are a couple of effects here and there, but overall the thing is pretty much just a mobile 3-D movie experience with in-seat effects right? Which, aside from the mobile part, would be pretty much the same as all the other 3-D stuff at Disney like Honey, Muppets, Philharmagic, Bugs, etc... I guess it's all in the presentation, huh?
9	k_peek_2000 Mon 5/5/2008 10:23a	"To play devils advocate here, isn't Spiderman over at Universal essentially just movie screens?" Not at all. Yes there are screens, but the ride goes through fully functional sets and it is very immersive, its not just screen after screen, you have some very impressive special effects, also you have a ride system similar to Indiana Jones's, its an amazing ride.
10	Mr X Mon 5/5/2008 10:27a	I agree that it's an amazing ride. That's the whole point. When you really break it down, there's isn't as much to it as you might think. I know there's more to it than what I wrote, that was sort of the point. You could also dissect Indy and find there really isn't all that much to the ride but it's greater than the sum of its' parts.

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