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| Dabob2
Sat 5/24/2008 3:07p | Solar panels don't really destroy habitat, particularly installing them in urban and suburban areas that aren't wildlife habitat to begin with.
Wind turbines are trickier, but the Scientific American article that someone (plpeters?) posted a month or two ago had an excellent proposal for their utilization that beats drilling in ANWR hands down. |
172
| DouglasDubh
Sat 5/24/2008 6:24p | <Solar panels don't really destroy habitat>
They will if you install enough of them to generate a reasonable amount of power.
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173
| X-san
Sat 5/24/2008 7:00p | ***Drilling in ANWAR just postpones the inevitable. We've know since *at least* the 1970's that oil would *eventually* run out and being addicted to forgiegn oil is a dangerous addiction.***
Oil is never going to completely "run out".
However, you will not like the price you'll have to pay to get some. ;) |
174
| Mrs ElderP
Sun 5/25/2008 6:26a | true dat ^^ |
175
| Dabob2
Sun 5/25/2008 3:17p | <<Solar panels don't really destroy habitat>>
<They will if you install enough of them to generate a reasonable amount of power.>
Not necessarily. Certainly, installing them on urban rooftops destroys no wildlife habitat. Installing them on suburban rooftops doesn't either.
What is needed is serious government investment in solar power (as opposed to yet more tax breaks for fossil fuels) to bring the cost per kilowatt hour down, and to develop ways to shrink the size of the panel needed to generate x-amount of power. This has not been a priority, and it should be.
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176
| X-san
Sun 5/25/2008 6:48p | Out of curiosity, does oil have a shelf-life?
How complicated would it be to obtain for youself a few dozen barrels of crude anyway?
I wonder because, *if* what some people are saying is correct and this situation will only exacerbate to the penultimate extreme (oil warlords roaming the lands riding Cadillacs pulled by donkeys, perhaps :p)...wouldn't the best gift you could ever give your grandkids be a few barrels of black gold? ;) |
177
| SuperDry
Sun 5/25/2008 7:22p | <<< Out of curiosity, does oil have a shelf-life? >>>
Well, it seems to keep in the ground for millions of years just fine! (or 5000-6000 years according to some folks)
As for refined product, it depends. I know that gasoline goes bad in just a few months (and certainly in less than a year). Diesel will last years, but I don't know about decades. I would think that natural gas in a tank would last just about forever as long as the tank didn't leak. |
178
| DVC_dad
Sun 5/25/2008 8:23p | What about electric cars, and nuclear power plants?
Oh wait..... NEW-CU-LER power plants |
179
| X-san
Sun 5/25/2008 9:44p | ***Well, it seems to keep in the ground for millions of years just fine! (or 5000-6000 years according to some folks)***
lol. |
180
| inlandemporer
Mon 5/26/2008 1:59p | I'm lucky in that I don't live too far from where I work, but I know getting from Ontario to Anaheim sure costs a lot more than it used to. i don't envy those people who have that sort of commute every day. |
