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| SingleParkPassholder
Tue 5/13/2008 1:28p | "$40 trillion of debt is toooooo much to bear. Repubs and Demos will only make it worse (Demos worse than Repubs)"
Wrong on the "Demos" thing. That's a myth that finally needs to be shattered. There is all sorts of info if one cares to google. Here's just one link. Of course other things factor into it, such as who controls Congress, but making such a generalization about "Demos" is just plain wrong.
http://www.lafn.org/gvdc/Natl_...art.html |
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| mrkthompsn
Tue 5/13/2008 1:45p | Then why are ALL of their proposed budgets significantly higher than repubs? |
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| mrkthompsn
Tue 5/13/2008 1:46p | doesn't matter. Even if they are lower, they are impossibly too high. |
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| Dabob2
Tue 5/13/2008 2:45p | <Then why are ALL of their proposed budgets significantly higher than repubs?>
You'll have to show some more specific figures than that (like SPP did).
But just thinking of the possible next presidents, I'm guessing (and yes, just a guess) that Obama would spend less overall than McCain even if he'd spend somewhat more domestically, assuming he can extricate us from Iraq. That's costing us several arms and legs (pun semi-intended) and Bush doesn't even have the honesty to put it on the regular budget. McCain has promised to keep that war going, so if Obama can really get us out, he'll almost certainly spend less overall than McCain. |
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| SuperDry
Tue 5/13/2008 4:21p | <<< Then why are ALL of their proposed budgets significantly higher than repubs? >>>
That doesn't say much when you consider expenses such as the war in Iraq, coming to some $100 billion a month, are not included in the budget. If you just remove a bunch of expensive stuff from the budget that you know is going to be spent, that doesn't really speak to your ability to keep the national debt under control. |
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| dshyates
Tue 5/13/2008 4:32p | "$40 trillion of debt is toooooo much to bear. Repubs and Demos will only make it worse (Demos worse than Repubs)"
Thats all fine and dandy as far as rhetoric goes, but has nothing to do with reality. Reagan and King George I ran up a mindboggling deficiet that the last 1 Democratic President eliminated before handing the keys back to the Repubs and look where we are at today.
Once again facts don't matter in the absolute garbage the right spews. But boy don't they sound good doing it. Unless of course you know the truth and then they sound, well, fanatical or down right dillusional |
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| mrkthompsn
Tue 5/13/2008 8:08p | <so if Obama can really get us out, he'll almost certainly spend less overall than McCain.>
Not if universal health care and/or foreclosure bailouts kicks in.
<Reagan and King George I ran up a mindboggling deficits>
...as authored and strongly persuaded by Democrat congresses. Presidents only sign bills. |
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| planodisney
Tue 5/13/2008 8:25p | You feather weight thinkers cant give up the obsession with D and R, or left and right fanatics.
Nothing will ever get solved with supporters who hate and demonize the other side.
I am so sick of liberals feeling the need to DESTROY every opponent.
And conservatives to a lesser extent.
Obama wont attempt to destroy McCain, but the fanatic supporters on the left will.
I am no big supporter of McCain, but if he doesnt give up this goody two shoes approach, he will get slaughtered.
I thought, a while back, that a Obama/McCain campaign would be such a tonic for healing America, but the hatred the left feels for everybody on the right is, I believe, beyond salvageable.
We have all been brainwashed to believe the other side has no morals, are liars, and would sell their souls for power, by the leadership of each party, simply to win elections.
The leadership on the left, over the past 20 years, has been particularly clever in this tactic.
The fruits of their labor are evident on here, but are particularly evil on liberal blogs all over the internet that spew the most fowl and hateful rhetoric against anyone who dares challenge their world view.
It is somewhat frightening to realize just how much hate their is for people who believe like I do.
I cant imagine how diveded our country will be in 10 years if we keep demonizing each other.
I cant imagine how much people like me will be hated if the left keeps getting angrier and angrier.
It is scary, all the way around.
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| SingleParkPassholder
Tue 5/13/2008 9:35p | "The fruits of their labor are evident on here, but are particularly evil on liberal blogs all over the internet that spew the most fowl and hateful rhetoric against anyone who dares challenge their world view."
Baloney. See Limbaugh, Hannity, et al.
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| Dabob2
Wed 5/14/2008 7:42a | <<so if Obama can really get us out, he'll almost certainly spend less overall than McCain.>>
<Not if universal health care and/or foreclosure bailouts kicks in.>
No, even if so. Obama's numbers here are fairly modest and do not cost as much as Iraq.
<<Reagan and King George I ran up a mindboggling deficits>>
<...as authored and strongly persuaded by Democrat congresses. Presidents only sign bills.>
Wrong. Presidents propose budgets. And Reagan and Bush I proposed budgets with larger deficits than ever seen before in our history. The Congress is allowed to alter the budget before it goes back to the president to sign, but the Democratic congresses under Reagan and Bush never altered those proposed budgets by more than a few percentage points around the margins. Yet today we STILL see the GOP trying to blame those congresses for those deficits rather than Reagan and Bush. The facts be damned, they still seem to have the need to believe that their side is more fiscally responsible. |
