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Topic: Hillary is being robbed

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1	RoadTrip Wed 5/14/2008 8:34a	Hillary Clinton should without a doubt be the democratic candidate for President. Sure, Obama has more delegates. Obama has more popular votes. Obama has more states. But as we all found out in 2000, none of those make a bit of difference. What elects our Presidents? Electoral votes. I decided to look at the electoral votes that would be awarded based on the states each candidate has won in the primaries and caucuses. It wouldn't even be close; Clinton is ahead by almost 50%. I'm amazed that the press hasn't looked at this or that the Clinton campaign hasn't pointed it out. Maybe they have and the press is ignoring it because they like to prolong the battle. I've been a strong supporter of Obama. I still am. But Hillary is without question the stronger candidate. What do you think? Clinton Arizona 10 Arkansas 6 California 55 Florida 27 Indiana 11 Massachusetts 12 Michigan 17 Nevada 5 New Hampshire 4 New Jersey 15 New Mexico 5 New York 31 Ohio 20 Oklahoma 7 Pennsylvania 21 Rhode Island 4 Tennessee 11 Texas 34 West Virginia 5 Total 300 Obama Alabama 9 Alaska 3 Colorado 9 Connecticut 7 Delaware 3 District of Columbia 3 Georgia 15 Hawaii 4 Idaho 4 Illinois 21 Iowa 7 Kansas 6 Louisiana 9 Maine 4 Maryland 10 Minnesota 10 Mississippi 6 Missouri 11 Nebraska 5 North Carolina 15 North Dakota 3 South Carolina 8 Utah 5 Vermont 3 Virginia 13 Washington 11 Wyoming 3 Total 207
2	WilliamK99 Wed 5/14/2008 8:42a	Since jon idn't here anymore I will make one comment, Obama will not win the Presidency for the simple fact that he cannot get a large majority of the white vote as proven by the slaughter in West Virginia. The media is basically handing Obama the election, treating him like a "Golden Child", only to watch him lose to McCain in November. IMO, Hillary stands a better chance against McCain than Obama, especially looking at the numbers above.
3	Kar2oonMan Wed 5/14/2008 9:02a	If she were the stronger candidate, she'd be winning. She isn't. Team Clinton likes working the numbers all sorts of different ways. Never have I seen so much spin as what they dish out every day. It's the Calvinball Candidacy -- the goalposts for "winning" are moved at the convenience of the candidate.
4	Kar2oonMan Wed 5/14/2008 9:06a	>>decided to look at the electoral votes that would be awarded based on the states each candidate has won in the primaries and caucuses. It wouldn't even be close; Clinton is ahead by almost 50%.<< That won't matter much this fall. Keep in mind, several of those states had votes split between Clinton, Obama, Edwards and several other Democrat candidates. In the end, few Democrats will jump party lines to vote for McCain (or Bush's 3rd term -- I like that line). Few Republicans will jump over to vote for Clinton or Obama In fact, what your analysis doesn't show is that the anti-Clinton venom out there would actually get MORE GOP voters to vote, they hate her so. She can't win.
5	WilliamK99 Wed 5/14/2008 9:12a	Let's be real, Obama will cause MORE GOP voters to vote, especially in the south where race still matters to an extent....
6	WilliamK99 Wed 5/14/2008 9:13a	and no I did not mean to call the GOP racist, just most racists will vote Republican this year.
7	Kar2oonMan Wed 5/14/2008 9:39a	I hope that if Obama loses, it is because of policy maters and not race. If he wins, I hope it is policy matters, and not race. I know that is naive perhaps, but I am hoping that people vote for whoever they want for the right reasons, and not for fear of having a person of a different color or gender in the White House. I hope we're better than that.
8	Kar2oonMan Wed 5/14/2008 9:39a	And by the way, the South is where Obama did very well.
9	SuperDry Wed 5/14/2008 9:44a	<<< Hillary Clinton should without a doubt be the democratic candidate for President. Sure, Obama has more delegates. Obama has more popular votes. Obama has more states. But as we all found out in 2000, none of those make a bit of difference. What elects our Presidents? Electoral votes. >>> This isn't Hillary's fault. It's not Obama's fault. The Democratic party's primary system is not aligned with the Electoral College. Arguing the fairness of such a system after the game is in play is senseless. Maybe this year's situation will cause the powers that be in the D party to reconsider their primary rules.
10	ecdc Wed 5/14/2008 9:46a	>>Let's be real, Obama will cause MORE GOP voters to vote, especially in the south where race still matters to an extent..<< I think it's exactly the opposite. I think the GOP has such an irrational hatred of Hillary, that they'd turn out in droves to vote against her. Witness Rush's Operation Chaos. On the other hand, while there's still racism in America, it's a subtle racism, by and large. I don't see anyone going out to vote against Obama because of his race - at least not in numbers big enough to make a difference. But on the other hand, I do see "white guilt" playing a role. In fact, I think white guilt would play a much larger role than white racism. I see Obama causing far more GOP to stay at home than Hillary. And like I told jonvn time and time again, the fact that blacks support Obama does not translate into whites don't. Hillary has blue collar support, that's why she did so well in West Virginia. Obama does well with upper-class democrats and college students. Which is why Obama is currently leading Hillary by 20 points in Oregon, not exactly a state known for its giant African-American population.

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