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Topic: Hillary is being robbed

#	Author	Message
41	DVC_dad Thu 5/15/2008 8:39a	So SPP, I'm just curious if you plan to vote. I'm not asking who you will vote for.
42	DVC_dad Thu 5/15/2008 8:41a	oh but to prevent bad form, you may answer however you like, or not at all...
43	RoadTrip Thu 5/15/2008 8:44a	Off topic, but good to see you back DVC_dad! :-) P.S. Maybe you can get that vbdad guy to come back too...
44	Kar2oonMan Thu 5/15/2008 9:00a	>>tell me , Why do you support him? And spare all the "lesser of 2 evils" and the "its all about change" bunk.<< I am actually happy, for the most part, to have any of the three be president. I think all three will offer a chance for some fresh air to clear out the stench this administration has left in teh White House. So, for once, this isn't a "lesser of two evils" decision for me. That in itself is refreshing. I think Hillary would be a capable leader. But realistically, I just don't think she is electable, for the reasons I have already given. Certain people are divisive, and right or wrong, she is a divisive figure. Some of that is her own fault, much of it is not. Like just about everyone, I have great respect for McCain's service to this country. I was a supporter of him back in 2000, and still wish he had won. Even though in this election he is not my first choice, I won't be upset should he win. I admire him for crossing party lines when it makes sense. I don't like the pandering he has done to the religious right in this campaign, and I disagree strongly with him on the war in Iraq. But I also believe that with the campaign behind him, he would return to form as one who can unite and reach for reasonable compromises to make things happen. We'll see. Which brings us to my choice, Barack Obama. I think what many politicians really get in terms of "experience" is beholden to lots and lots of corporate and special interest lobbyists. I have no delusions that Obama has none of those. But of the three, I believe he is the least beholden to those special interests. Every so often, we get a chance for a bit of a fresh start, and I think some of Obama's "unknowns" are actually a positive. I am looking forward to having someone who can inspire Americans to think outside themselves -- it's been a long time since we have had that. And to me, he brings the right mix of Hillary's idealism and McCain's ability to unite, so, that's why I like him best. >>Am I deluded because I don't support him?<< I don't know. Why don't you support him? You made the comment about Obama's "real self" which suggests you know something we don't about him. What is it?
45	Kar2oonMan Thu 5/15/2008 9:07a	And this is a bit of a silly thing, but i do appreciate stuff like Obama not wearing the flag pin all the time, and not crumbling when asked about that. one of the things this administration has done is make it somehow manditory to do these empty gestures of literally wearing one's patriotism on one's sleeve (or lapel) as if that has a damn thing to do with how patriotic someone is. Sometimes Obama wears the pin, sometimes he doesn't. Good for him. It's that sort of empty-headed pandering nonsense that disgusts me about the Bush administration, and one of the many reasons I'll be celebrating wildly the day out next president is sworn in. Our long national nightmare will be (mostly) over. Bonus: No matter who wins, the neocons will lose. They failed us miserably. They ought to be ashamed, but they have no shame.
46	ecdc Thu 5/15/2008 9:15a	Post 44 sums up my own feelings perfectly. I genuinely understand concerns over Obama's lack of experience. But while some people see him as a Carter, I see him as a potential Lincoln or Kennedy. No, I don't think he'll be as great as a President as Lincoln - that's not what I mean. But I do think he may be the inexperienced guy who comes in when the nation is in crisis and surprises people with his leadership and ability. This strikes me as one of those times when a lack of Washington experience can only be a good thing. And like 2oony, I won't be voting for McCain, but he may surprise us as well. I'm excited to go to the polls this year.
47	RoadTrip Thu 5/15/2008 9:15a	<<It's that sort of empty-headed pandering nonsense that disgusts me about the Bush administration, and one of the many reasons I'll be celebrating wildly the day out next president is sworn in.>> But hey... W's given up playing golf while the Iraq war is being fought. Surely you don't think that is empty-headed pandering... Hmmmm... actually, I guess it is...
48	Kar2oonMan Thu 5/15/2008 9:21a	>>But hey... W's given up playing golf while the Iraq war is being fought. Surely you don't think that is empty-headed pandering...<< Certainly not. It's that sort of deep, personal sacrifice that will be the legacy of this administration.
49	mele Thu 5/15/2008 10:38a	<<W's given up playing golf while the Iraq war is being fought. Surely you don't think that is empty-headed pandering...<< It's very thoughtful of Bush to do this. I'm sure it's bringing much comfort to the loved ones of fallen soldiers.
50	SingleParkPassholder Thu 5/15/2008 11:35a	"So SPP, I'm just curious if you plan to vote. I'm not asking who you will vote for." "oh but to prevent bad form, you may answer however you like, or not at all..." No need for further snippiness. You're the one that interjected Obama's real self, then told us to spare you on the answers. Yeah, I am going to vote, even though though I'll have reservations about whoever it is. So for me, sorry, it is the lesser of evils.

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