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Topic: Hillary is being robbed

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51	DVC_dad Thu 5/15/2008 12:04p	LOL. You know, sadly I'm in that boat myself, and to really make it hard, McCain is not my first choice. Where is the conservative candidate? Oh wait, is it the new Libertarian?
52	DVC_dad Thu 5/15/2008 12:10p	Off topic, but what's really sad is W had so many chances, challenges, opporunities to go down as one of the greatest, but he fizzled. Newculer on the google internets, OMG
53	SingleParkPassholder Thu 5/15/2008 12:26p	"Off topic, but what's really sad is W had so many chances, challenges, opporunities to go down as one of the greatest, but he fizzled." Except for some old timers here, probably not too many people here would remember I was one of the few people defending Bush, even after the invasion. My main line of reasoning was his presidency really never had a chance to get off the ground, that his was a presidency of one crisis after another. I got into it with gadzuux and another poster no longer here named TikiDude quite often. Over time though, I became thoroughly repulsed by everything Bush. There was one episode that pushed me over the edge. When it became known our soldiers were dumpter diving for body armor I no longer could support the war effort. It was obvious to me there was no real planning, no foresight, and that the soldiers were merely pawns in some other objective Bush must have had. There were already more than a few seeds of doubt planted by other things, but that did it. When I became a critic, I was no longer an ally of beaumandy, which explains why he loves me so much to this day.
54	mele Thu 5/15/2008 12:35p	I'm not so sure there will ever be a presidential candidate that we won't have some reservations about voting for. Was it really ever "easy" to vote for candidates? If it was, I think we're beyond it these days. Mis-trust has seeped into everything.
55	WilliamK99 Thu 5/15/2008 12:42p	<<W's given up playing golf while the Iraq war is being fought. Surely you don't think that is empty-headed pandering...<< That;s great considering I am giving up spending time with my wife and kids while the Iraq War is being fought. Glad to see that the President is making an equal sacrifice.
56	Kar2oonMan Thu 5/15/2008 1:13p	>>Except for some old timers here, probably not too many people here would remember I was one of the few people defending Bush, even after the invasion.<< As was I, I am sorry to admit. And for many of the same reasons, I eventually switched sides like SPP, ecdc and a majority of Americans. Contrary to what this administration would have people believe, we don't hate our troops or wish them failure. What we hate is this one-dimensional foreign policy, half-baked at best, that has left the troops largely high and dry and in a hell of a situation. It's cost lives and a lot of money and there's no end in sight. But you know what? I do understand, sort of , what the president was getting at with the golf comment. He gets that it would look bad for the families of troops to see him out on the links while their loved ones are risking their necks for his war. But it is yet again the clumsy, dopey way he says this stuff that once again invites ridicule. I do not believe that he truly equates that giving up golf is equal to a military person's sacrifice. But man alive, I have never in my 45 years seen a president that so frequently jams his own foot in his mouth the way this president does. Everyone says something dumb or unintentional from time to time, but Mr. Bush abuses the privelidge.
57	WilliamK99 Thu 5/15/2008 1:19p	But it is yet again the clumsy, dopey way he says this stuff that once again invites ridicule. I do not believe that he truly equates that giving up golf is equal to a military person's sacrifice. << But that was the impression he gave. I basically took his comments as "You make sacrifices, same as me" I was offended by his comments as were quite a few people I know.
58	Kar2oonMan Thu 5/15/2008 1:23p	Yes, I totally understand why, William. I don't blame you or anyone who has truly had to sacrifice one bit for being offended by the comment. It is odd that on the one hand he understands that playing golf would leave a bad impression, but on the other he doesn't understand that clumsily suggesting giving up golf is any kind of sacrifice would likewise leave a poor impression. Perhaps he really is after the Lowest Approval Ratings Ever trophy now. I mean, now he seems determined to tick off military families and many of them were his last island of support. It's crazy.
59	Kar2oonMan Thu 5/15/2008 1:29p	And speaking of sacrifice, in any war worth fighting in the past, all Americans were asked to sacrifice. That's another thing this administration failed at -- attempting to make this war unfelt here at home in any way. It truly bothers me -- sure I can send a care package to a military unit, that's fine, but is that it? That's all that is asked of us here at home? That sucks. If anyone brought up the hardships on the troops, many of the presidents supporters would say "Well, they volunteered" as if that means anything goes. It's been painful for this country for so many reasons. And all the while, anyone saying it's wrong to treat the people and the troops in this way gets called unpatriotic and compared to Nazi appeasers. It's completely upside down, and less and less folks are buying it, thankfully. But my God, at what a cost.
60	WilliamK99 Thu 5/15/2008 1:38p	If anyone brought up the hardships on the troops, many of the presidents supporters would say "Well, they volunteered" as if that means anything goes.<< I think that is what has made me so disillusioned about this whole thing. People justify 3, 4, even 5 deployments by saying to us in the military "You should have known that when you signed up". I signed up in 1996, and many others signed up then too, and nobody would have believed that we would be on a year on, year off rotation on basically a permanent basis. At what point does the military fall apart because enough personnel have said "enough" and don't reenlist or join. I have talked to some guys in who have served 14 years, just 6 years before retirement and they are planning on leaving the army because they don't want 3, possibly 4 more deployments, which is how things are looking right now. I have 8 years left and am seriously considering leaving, even though it will cost me major money in retirement. The problem is, there is no good way out of Iraq at this point, we are boxed in a corner and any decision we make will have costly reprucusions.

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