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Topic: Gay Marriage Ban Overturned by CA Supreme Court

#	Author	Message
131	RoadTrip Sat 5/17/2008 10:49a	<<So before we are too tough on folks like Josh, I think it is good to consider the possibility that there is no malice behind his thoughts -- just an uncertainty about definitions.>> Oops... When I wrote that I had forgotten about this post: <<I view homosexual acts as a sin, and I don't condone two men or 2 women sleeping together, ever. I'll never encourage or praise that.>> That kind of statement in my opinion is just plain wrong and encourages prejudice. The whole religious concept of "Hate the sin, love the sinner" is a bunch of malarkey. Sorry Josh, that goes past uncertainty about definitions.
132	Kar2oonMan Sat 5/17/2008 10:58a	>>Hell, to this very day, cultural conservatives still have no idea exactly why they hate gay marriage. << This is totally incorrect. They know exactly why they hate the thought of gay marriage. Homosexuality repulses them. Well, except hot lesbians, that they like just fine. But to publicly say how grossed out they are by the thought of two guys together would reveal their inner bigotry. So, they hide behind religion or "traditional values" or whatever other more polite, more acceptible, more reasonable-sounding objection they have to it. How do I know this to be true? Because sometimes people mistake me for being on "their" side on this issue (for some reason, why, I have no idea -- I guess 'cause I have a wife and kids they assume I fear gayness or something) and in unguarded moments, they'll reveal a lot. It's disturbing to hear, but it's there, just beneath the surface. Time and time and time again I have heard such talk among straight people, and it's always disappointing and disheartening.
133	Kar2oonMan Sat 5/17/2008 11:00a	Oh, and in those unguarded moments, when they let their disgust fly, there is never, ever talk of God or religion or anything of the kind. It's male homosexuality that they rail against. Always.
134	RoadTrip Sat 5/17/2008 11:20a	<<It's male homosexuality that they rail against. Always.>> They're just jealous that gay guys get more oral sex. (Can I say that here?)
135	WilliamK99 Sat 5/17/2008 11:53a	LMAO
136	ecdc Sat 5/17/2008 12:10p	>>But to publicly say how grossed out they are by the thought of two guys together would reveal their inner bigotry.<< I couldn't agree more. This is why I always say so many conservatives are incapable of understanding another perspective. All they know is that they find gay hairy man-sex to be gross. They can't fathom, absolutely cannot fathom why a guy would be attracted or want to be intimate with another man. So it's gross, it's debauchery, it's wrong. That's all it is. It's absolutely no different than a racist who finds interracial intimacy to be gross.
137	barboy Sat 5/17/2008 2:16p	///But to publicly say how grossed out they are by the thought of two guys together would reveal their inner bigotry./// If a female would be "grossed out" at the thought of sexually interacting with a male, any male, would that be bigotry? If a male would feel completely repulsed at the idea of sleeping with a female, any female, would that be bigotry? If a black homosexual female felt repulsed at the idea of a sexual encounter with an Asian woman, any Asian woman is that bigotry?
138	Kar2oonMan Sat 5/17/2008 2:34p	Sometimes those examples are indeed based on bigotry, yes. Other times, it is simply that people are attracted to different types of people. Some people are attracted to skinny people, obese people, people with long hair, etc. The big difference, of course, is when people start activelly voting or working towards blocking others from marrying the type of person they are attracted to. It isn't enough that they themselves don't want to engage in a homosexual relationship -- they'd prefer no one did. Some consider it very open minded to say "Hey, I don't care if two guys live together. But they can't call it marriage." Why not? Bigotry. They want to keep gay relationships at a lower rung on the social ladder.
139	X-san Sat 5/17/2008 4:47p	***<<So before we are too tough on folks like Josh, I think it is good to consider the possibility that there is no malice behind his thoughts -- just an uncertainty about definitions.>> Oops... When I wrote that I had forgotten about this post: <<I view homosexual acts as a sin, and I don't condone two men or 2 women sleeping together, ever. I'll never encourage or praise that.>> That kind of statement in my opinion is just plain wrong and encourages prejudice.*** Agreed in principle. However, "knowing" Josh as I've come to online (and of course you never really "know" someone on an internet chat, but anyway) I believe that what he is saying here is simply a repetition of what he has been told to believe. Also, he's lying. He said he would never condone it, EVER. But he has also said he would obey any commands or orders from his church leaders. So if one of them were to proclaim "God has told me that homosexuality is no sin. We much condone, encourage and praise it", according to HIM he would be forced to change his beliefs. In fact, as he has indicated, he would do so quite willingly and without hesitation. The fact that he can make such a bold statement in the face of all that tells me that he finds it utterly unthinkable that such a revelation could ever come to pass. But I'm sure plenty of early Mormons would consider it unthinkable that their church would change their views on something as fundamental as polygamy, or the inequality of blacks.
140	X-san Sat 5/17/2008 4:48p	***How do I know this to be true? Because sometimes people mistake me for being on "their" side on this issue (for some reason, why, I have no idea -- I guess 'cause I have a wife and kids they assume I fear gayness or something) and in unguarded moments, they'll reveal a lot. It's disturbing to hear, but it's there, just beneath the surface. Time and time and time again I have heard such talk among straight people, and it's always disappointing and disheartening.*** Same here. How do you respond to such stuff, anyway?

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