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Topic: Gay Marriage Ban Overturned by CA Supreme Court

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151	SingleParkPassholder Sun 5/18/2008 8:45a	"SPP, Please STOP "reading my mind" and claiming things I have never said..." That's just it, you never say anything. You hide behind links. That you would come on here and say something like this is the height of hilarity. And we're supposed to folloew you around the web to find out what you say? Oh brother.... Get over yourself. "And here is something else I have a problem with..." I can't help it. ROTFLMAO! What about equal rights???????????? Helllllllooooooo!!!!!! Think about it. Haven't gays been asking the same thing for quite some time now? You're whining about a hotel giving them a discounted rate when they've been bemoaning a lack of equal protection under the Constitution. Poor, poor Darkbeer. Unbelievable. Tell you what. When the biases and prejudices of this country against gays abate to the point where people like Andrew Shepherd aren't tied to a fence and brutalized, when they're not called fags by homophobic macho types, when they can marry the person they love just like you can in any state in the Union, then we'll talk about "activist judges" and hotel discounts. You're unreal. I asked you what you have against gay marriage. Instead, you post more links and cry about hotel rates. I would suggest you are your own worst enemy here. That must be a very tasty size EEEE foot you've got in your mouth. Maybe you can pry it out of there long enough to answer the question in your own words.
152	Darkbeer Sun 5/18/2008 8:45a	And what about the right not to get married? Right now, a "domestic partnership" is only available to same sex couples and to "Senior Citizens" (62 and older) opposite sex couples. http://www.sos.ca.gov/dpregist...uestion2 Many Senior Citizens don't want to get married, as it affects their pensions, Social Security and some other types of payments, plus many of these couples want to keep their wills seperate, as they are most windows and widowers who had a family in the past, and want their property to go to their own children. But for younger opposite sex couples, they do not have this option, and since California is a community property state, there are a lot of issues including taxation and trust fund issues that have "forced" couples to not get married, but "live in sin". I think they should open up the "domestic partnerships" to any couple of legal age, this will allow insurance benefits and other legal rights, such as hospital visitations to all non-married couples that wish to register and meet the qualifications.
153	SingleParkPassholder Sun 5/18/2008 8:48a	Brown v. Board of Education, meet Darkbeer. Darkbeer, meet some basic history.
154	Dabob2 Sun 5/18/2008 2:00p	<Nothing in our Constitution, express on implicit, compels the majority's startling conclusion the the age-old understanding of marriage...> The trouble with this reasoning is that the age-old understanding of marriage is based on a faulty premise. Namely, that all people are heterosexual, and that homosexual activity is just straight people being weird and/or immoral. This WAS the age-old understanding for centuries about why some people would have sex with others of their gender. It was weird, it was sin, it was unnatural. But we know better know. We now know (most of us, anyway), that some people really are wired differently and are intrinsically homosexual (a term that wasn't even coined until the 19th century, long after our marriage laws were formed). In other words, there are persons who are intrinsically homosexual. The 14th Amendment recognizes that persons must be given equal protection under the law. And eventually, the highest courts are going to recognize (some state high courts already have, of course) that gay persons must have equal rights to straight persons when it comes to marriage - the right to marry the one person of their choice. Simple as that. Not everyone understands this, of course. It's clear the judge who issued that minority opinion does not. But 4 of the 7 did. More people are understanding this every day. Marriage laws, of course, used to prohibit interracial marriage also based on a faulty premise. When enough people understood that the premise was faulty, the courts ruled accordingly (even though a MAJORITY of Americans in 1967 didn't approve of interracial marriage). The same will happen here. It's a shame to think CA voters might vote for this shameful amendment and stop it for the time being, but it will happen. We're probably only 20 years away from a majority of Americans favoring full equality - in CA, maybe 10 years. If they vote the ban in now, they can vote it out later, no? An interesting question is what happens between June (when I've read the new law is supposed to take effect) and November. What would happen to the couples who legally marry in the interim?
155	dshyates Sun 5/18/2008 2:24p	Most people who use the Classical Christian definition of "has always been defned as a union of a man and a woman" also forgeting to include that the church permitted sexual contact with prostitutes, concubinage and slaves (not necessarily your own slaves). And that until the early 20th century most marriages performed by the church in Europe were arranged marriages. And love had nothing to do with them. They laid eyes on their "church cretified" mate on their wedding day. So what the religious thinks about peoples nuptuials has little baring to me. So they can jump up and down all tey want about what silly superstitions we are ignoring, throw salt over their shoulder, face whatever direction they want to pray and allow their starving children to be trampled by reincarnated bovine in the living room. Do we really need to pay attention to their opinion?
156	Elderp Sun 5/18/2008 4:00p	I kinda like Darkbeer's idea. Tax breaks if you have children, then the church's can decide who can get married. I am all for less government in personal affairs.
157	Dabob2 Sun 5/18/2008 4:03p	One has always been able to get married in this country by going to the courthouse. Is marriage just for the religious?
158	Elderp Sun 5/18/2008 4:09p	Right now marriage is considered a legal contract and therefore has tax benefits associated to it. If those tax benefits were taken away then why should the government be involved?
159	Kennesaw Tom Sun 5/18/2008 4:59p	<<I kinda like Darkbeer's idea. Tax breaks if you have children, >> I don't think there should be tax breaks period. <<then the church's can decide who can get married.>> There are way too many churches out there are thing they are entitled to decide just who and at what age someone should get married. This is one reason why over 400 children are now in custody in Texas. If anyone likes it or not Government ( which means the people ) need to decide just what marriage should look like. I agree with the California Supreme Court, domestic partnership is not the same thing as marriage.
160	Kennesaw Tom Sun 5/18/2008 5:00p	This might be another good time to state that I think no religion should be tax exempt.

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