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Topic: Gay Marriage Ban Overturned by CA Supreme Court

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211	X-san Sun 5/25/2008 6:39p	I'll just go ahead and finish replying to Douglas all at once. **I've never advocated destroying nature.** I'll grant you one point here, there must be found a happy medium between corporate Republican culture which would pave over the planet in a heartbeat if it meant more profit, and the opposite extreme where we've got preservationists fighting tooth and nail for every single acre in question while at the same time we are further indebting ourselves to countries we shouldn't even be associating with, and who want to kill us. However, your arguments consistently lean towards the former and you know it. ***It is the same sort of bigotry, in service of a different cause. No, it's not.*** If you're being truthful, then you must admit that your argument also implicitly demands that a responsible society identify its' infertile members and ban them from ever getting married. If you believe that, then you are truly not prejudiced. If not, you're a bigot in my book. Just spouting convenient arguments and theories to support your cause. ***If you aren't concerned about Europe remaining European, or America or Canada remaining mostly American or Canadian, then you don't need to be concerned.*** That's no concern of mine, per se. It might have been in the past, but not since I've seen what our country is capable of becoming so easily. Frankly, if the world were to begin to drift towards the better points in every culture, and not cling to old, dusty ideas of "right and wrong" (usually based on founding religions and religious ideas centuries old in the countries in question), we'd be much better off. Would you have a problem with that, even if it meant losing some of the American identity? Or are you so proud as to be blind to glaring faults? ***In fact, you really don't have too worry about anything - right or wrong, or morals.*** So unless someone drapes themselves with the stars and stripes and sings "God Bless America", they are incapable of being moral? Interesting argument. Nationalistic, prideful, and dead wrong. ***Just do whatever makes you feel good, whenever you want.*** I expect the right to do just that, so long as I'm not directly stepping on the rights of others. Whether I chose to do that, or follow a more spiritual path that involves some sacrifice and effort in order to help others, is up to me. It's called freedom. Fun concept, you should look it up sometime. ***Consequences don't matter.*** Of course they do. If I infringe upon the freedom of another, such as stealing from someone, defrauding someone, physically harming someone or worse, I fully expect to be punished severely. Otherwise, don't tread on me. God Bless America. peace.
212	Kar2oonMan Sun 5/25/2008 6:40p	>><It is the same sort of bigotry, in service of a different cause.> No, it's not.<< Oh? It must be some other form of bigotry, then. I'm not sure why it's so difficult for you to accept that you are advocating bigotry against two consenting adults wishing to be married. But I'm afraid it's your problem if you are choosing to line up on the side of bigotry.
213	X-san Sun 5/25/2008 6:42p	***That doesn't mean AI caused the dollar to weaken vs. the euro.*** I'm not so sure Dabob. American Idol seems to me a clear harbinger of the fall of American civilization as we know it. Certainly that had an impact on the dollar euro situation. :p
214	jdub Sun 5/25/2008 7:10p	I'm picturing a rippin' drinking game that is triggered by a certain someone's every utterance of "no, it's not."
215	X-san Sun 5/25/2008 7:12p	lol. Unfortunately, I think that would be a bit like chess by mail. :p
216	jdub Sun 5/25/2008 7:15p	>>If you aren't concerned about Europe remaining European, or America or Canada remaining mostly American or Canadian, then you don't need to be concerned<< What does that even mean? Did the Spaniards care about America remaining American when they colonized it? How about the later settlers, from England and from the new colonies, as they settled in & began to expand westward? What does it mean, "Europe remaining European, or America or Canada remaining mostly American or Canadian?"
217	Kar2oonMan Sun 5/25/2008 7:18p	>>What does that even mean?<< It means logic has left the building.
218	plpeters70 Sun 5/25/2008 8:50p	<<What does it mean, "Europe remaining European, or America or Canada remaining mostly American or Canadian?">> Sounds like someone is afraid of change...
219	DouglasDubh Mon 5/26/2008 12:38a	As usual, the proponents of gay marriage rely on dismissal, distortion, and demonization, rather than present logic or evidence.
220	X-san Mon 5/26/2008 12:41a	THAT'S your reply? There are about ten new and valid points up there for you to reply to. Nothing to retort, Douglas? Pretty weak argument there buddy. At least tell me whether or not you would support banning sterile people from marriage? I'd really like to hear the answer to that one and how it differs from your logic regarding gays and the (antiquated) societal need for procreation.

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