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Topic: Gay Marriage Ban Overturned by CA Supreme Court

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221	DouglasDubh Mon 5/26/2008 12:47a	<THAT'S your reply?> Yes. It's not worth trying to have an intelligent conversation with people who rely on dismissal, distortion, and demonization. If you want to respond to what I actually said, ask honest questions, and skip the insults, then I'll reply to you.
222	X-san Mon 5/26/2008 2:13a	Whatever. Debate team Doug strikes again. So disappointing. (and as I did respond to what you said with a direct question, the same one twice, you're simply ducking the issue because I'm quite certain you have no valid answer)
223	ChurroMonster Mon 5/26/2008 2:41a	Gays being allowed to marry would actually strengthen the institution of marriage. Imagine an entire segment of our population who wants to get married! God knows the straight population is doing everything it can to avoid marriage.
224	dshyates Mon 5/26/2008 4:23a	"The evidence is that places that have allowed gay marriage are seeing marriage rates falling at an increased rate since gay marriage was introduced. There's fewer marriages, more divorces, and fewer births, and more of them are out-of-wedlock. This is not good for society." This is a fallacy. Marriage rates are falling in all civilized nations whether gay marriage is allowed or not. The countries that have allowed it, have no difference in marriage rates than those that do not. These falling rates have been blamed by religious bigots on Gay marriage". This is not a corralative effect. And yoyu are right that marriage was created by man to created a social support network in which child rearing is more adventageous. And the same is true of homosexual couples who happen to have children. Having 2 parents as financial and logistical support for the children is better than forcing gay parents to "live a lie" and make everyone miserable. I think that flaming bigotry is far more dangerous to society than gay marriage. These guardians of a moral society have a tendancy to blow up gay bars.
225	X-san Mon 5/26/2008 4:56a	***And you are right that marriage was created by man to created a social support network in which child rearing is more advantageous.*** Absolutely. No dispute there. But this is here and now. Much as the fact that the Catholic Church condemns birth control in even the most overpopulated, poverty stricken places on earth, for which they should be ashamed and disgusted with themselves from that Ratzenberger criminal on down the line!, so do we see the same antiquated garbage about "the sanctity of marriage" being spouted by gay bashers for much the same reasons. There's no basis for it, it's naked prejudice cloaked in "morals" or, as Douglas tries to paint it "for the good of society". What a laugh. Douglas, you are no better than that pope who plys the African families with bibles and false hope, while in no way actually teaching these poor people that there is an available way to keep from bringing even more dying babies into this world...for shame, to you and to them.
226	dshyates Mon 5/26/2008 5:08a	The gay marriage issue is where I think humanity based morality and religion based morality are at odds. I believe only religion could demonize the obviously morally "right" answer to the point the bigots have on this issue.
227	X-san Mon 5/26/2008 5:15a	I'm not so sure the religions "demonize" the issue so much, the prejudiced pigs take care of that just fine by themselves. I think what religions do is JUSTIFY the hate, and that is what makes it all the more ugly and dangerous. As an easy example, a mormon on these very boards stated unequivocally that if his church proclaimed that blacks were once again inferior in their eyes, he'd have absolutely no problem following it. Justification. So, for the hate filled pigs, there's nothing better than to have their church tell them that their hate is "god inspired" and "righteously moral". Frankly, I'm sure there are some out there that are just salivating at the possibility that some church, somewhere, would proclaim that "niggers are bad", so they can hoop and holler and lynch and point to that church to justify the fact that "GOD AGREES WITH US!". Yee freakin haw.
228	X-san Mon 5/26/2008 5:22a	To clarify, when I said "some out there" I want to be clear that I wasn't thinking of any LPers in particular whatsoever. I was thinking about the idea "in general", and I would surely (probably optimistically, but I hope not!) hope that that wouldn't include anyone in our particular little microcosm. In other words, I meant that NOT as a slam towards anyone here and I want to make sure that if I came across that way, that wasn't my intention in the least.
229	dshyates Mon 5/26/2008 5:39a	I will throw in my disclaimer now. I think that while we respectfully disagree on these boards. The bigots I was refering to are the guys in the right wing noise machine that have demonized this issue and "gays" in general. But I do have to say that the asertion that, to paraphrase, "allowing the right of marriage to gays will cause the downfall of civilized society" is a little over the top, don'cha think? I think it will be $15/gallon gas and $10 loaves of bread thats gonna bring this country to its knees. Of course George and GOP noise machine will be stading there saying, "Look what gay marriage has done to this country".
230	mele Mon 5/26/2008 6:28a	Aw, and Douglas is an excellent judge of "dismissal, distortion, and demonization". He specializes in it himself with comments like this... "In fact, you really don't have too worry about anything - right or wrong, or morals. Just do whatever makes you feel good, whenever you want. Consequences don't matter." And let's smile as he ignores the irony in his comments which dismiss, distort, and demonize the gay community in every single one of these conversations. LOL! But he is correct in some regards...he isn't worth the effort.

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