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Topic: Gay Marriage Ban Overturned by CA Supreme Court

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231	X-san Mon 5/26/2008 6:51a	I never thought I'd find a good enough reason to use this phrase, but Douglas...you just got served bro.
232	Dabob2 Mon 5/26/2008 7:51a	<As usual, the proponents of gay marriage rely on dismissal, distortion, and demonization, rather than present logic or evidence.> Oh please. I showed where your beloved studies fall apart and why, very simply and logically. SPP, time and again, tackles this from the logical and coldly dispassionate p.o.v. of how the law works and will ultimately be applied. Many others here present better logic and evidence than you ever have. Then you try to lump all of us "proponents of gay marriage" in together with some of the more over the top comments. Talk about distortion and demonization.
233	SingleParkPassholder Mon 5/26/2008 7:55a	"Then you try to lump all of us "proponents of gay marriage" in together with some of the more over the top comments. Talk about distortion and demonization." Well, what I've done here in the last several times I've posted is lift word for word responses he gives to any number of arguments on various topics. He's presented with all manner of evidence, and invariably he calls it opinion with distorted data or says "you've presented nothing credible". So now he throws a tantrum when I play with him and do it here. Still haven't seen any legal arguments from him.
234	DouglasDubh Mon 5/26/2008 9:01a	Keep fooling yourselves.
235	X-san Mon 5/26/2008 9:02a	***Still haven't seen any legal arguments from him.*** Are there any truly legal arguments to be made here? Aside from "we hate fags and don't want them to marry", I really don't see the legitimate argument.
236	DouglasDubh Mon 5/26/2008 9:05a	You can't see it because you won't see it.
237	ecdc Mon 5/26/2008 9:27a	Frustrating as it is, I hope Dabob, SPP and others will continue to respond to Douglas with their logical posts. It's extremely telling to people who might be "on the fence" or questioning the gay marriage ban when they see threads like this. They see two intelligent people offer up quality posts and reasoning on this topic, then, they see the response of "nuh uh" and "no it isn't" and they clearly see that the other side doesn't have much of a leg to stand on. I know it's frustrating to the point of laughable to spend quality time responding to posts, only to have someone who clearly doesn't know what he's talking about say "no it isn't," but it really is a valuable service in educating people on this topic. This is exactly the kind of thing we need to show Americans that those opposed to gay marriage really are bigots. They have no leg to stand on aside from their own internal discomfort, and this thread is *perfect* proof of that.
238	DouglasDubh Mon 5/26/2008 10:07a	More distortion. Don't hurt yourself patting yourself on the back. The only thing this thread proves is that proponents of gay marriage can't argue in its favor without dismissal, distortion, and demonization.
239	ecdc Mon 5/26/2008 10:16a	>>The only thing this thread proves is that proponents of gay marriage can't argue in its favor without dismissal, distortion, and demonization.<< I will agree with you on one point. Anti-gay marriage is bigotry, plain and simple. It is therefore entirely deserving of dismissal and demonization, just as all bigotry does. Fortunately, people like Dabob2 and SPP are more tolerant than I am and are willing to have the conversation. This creates threads like this that people can read and see that bigots have no leg to stand on, and proponents of equality (equality, what a novel, American idea!) make superb points. Really, this argument went game, set, match, Dabob2 in post 208. You know it, and so therefore have resorted to mimicking my four year old with your "no it isn't!" responses.
240	ecdc Mon 5/26/2008 10:24a	For fun, let's review Douglas' posts since Dabob's 208 and see what he's offered to the conversation. So as to not be accused of "distortion, dismissal, and demonization" I will quote him verbatim: >>Post 219: As usual, the proponents of gay marriage rely on dismissal, distortion, and demonization, rather than present logic or evidence. Post 221: Yes. It's not worth trying to have an intelligent conversation with people who rely on dismissal, distortion, and demonization. If you want to respond to what I actually said, ask honest questions, and skip the insults, then I'll reply to you. Post 234: Keep fooling yourselves. Post 236: You can't see it because you won't see it. Post 238: More distortion. Don't hurt yourself patting yourself on the back. The only thing this thread proves is that proponents of gay marriage can't argue in its favor without dismissal, distortion, and demonization.<< The inability to respond is right there for everyone to see. I'd encourage anyone who still thinks gay marriage is a bad idea to review the posts on this thread. Who has nothing to say, and who has logic, reason, and Americanism on their side?

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