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Topic: Gay Marriage Ban Overturned by CA Supreme Court

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241	ecdc Mon 5/26/2008 10:26a	To those still on the fence: bigotry has no place in our country. Every time we've tried, subsequent generations have been embarrassed and stunned at how their parents and grandparents could behave in such a way. Don't put yourself in the position of making your descendants try and apologize for your beliefs and your behavior. Don't put one of your children or grandchildren in the position of having to explain why you didn't support equal rights for a fellow American. Gay marriage isn't just inevitable legally, it's the right thing to do.
242	mele Mon 5/26/2008 10:33a	What children and grandchildren? There will be no people left if gays get married.
243	Elderp Mon 5/26/2008 10:45a	"Don't put one of your children or grandchildren in the position of having to explain why you didn't support equal rights for a fellow American." I don't really have an interest in the gay marriage debate.... However, I find the concept of equality and American interesting. I have no concept of equality in America. In fact if I had to characterize America I would say we are an establishment of unequality. Any reforms for equality in America have only come out of heavy tensions that usually end up in casuality counts.
244	DouglasDubh Mon 5/26/2008 10:45a	<Really, this argument went game, set, match, Dabob2 in post 208.> Dabob's post 208 simply repeated the same false arguments he's made in the past. The author of the pieces I linked to did not ignore the idea that correlation does not equal causation - he clearly addressed it. There simply is no other candidate to explain why the decline in marriage increased when gay marriage was adopted. <The inability to respond is right there for everyone to see.> I am fully capable of replying, but I'm not replying to distortion, dismissal, and demonization. Again, if you want to respond to what I actually said, ask honest questions, and skip the insults, then I'll reply to you with honest answers. So far, that hasn't happened.
245	SingleParkPassholder Mon 5/26/2008 10:57a	Still no legal arguments. And on that topic, a legal argument to be made is what level of scrutiny should be used, rational basis or strict scrutiny? If discriminaton base don sexual orientation is considered to be less than discriminating on the basis of gender, then rational basis could be used and a ban would stand a better chance of being upheld. But as I've said before, if courts choose to go down that road, then there's a presumption being made that sexual orientation is more of a choice than it is something that's innate, and the courts don't want to try and get into THAT fray. So there, Douglas, I gave you something to use for the foundation of a legal argument, since up to noe you haven't offered any. Citing studies from Norway or Sweden really isn't going to work in a court of law. By the way, we still don't have kids, and never will. Yet, I'm still married.
246	SingleParkPassholder Mon 5/26/2008 11:03a	One thing that's telling, though. Rather than try and justify a ban under the Federal or a state consitution, notice than the anti's are trying to get constitutional bans instead. A not so subtle way of acknowledging any present argument is weak at best.
247	SingleParkPassholder Mon 5/26/2008 11:03a	We need a ban on typos.
248	DouglasDubh Mon 5/26/2008 11:13a	<Still no legal arguments.> As I've mentioned to you before, this isn't strictly a legal matter. The law can, and quite likely will, be changed. <By the way, we still don't have kids, and never will. Yet, I'm still married.> Despite your efforts, this is not about you. Further, despite your efforts and the efforts of others here, it's not about me. <A not so subtle way of acknowledging any present argument is weak at best.> It's an acknowledgement that some people are willing to distort the law to make it say something that is against the will of the people.
249	SingleParkPassholder Mon 5/26/2008 11:21a	Maybe you're not as smart as people give you credit for, after all.
250	Kar2oonMan Mon 5/26/2008 11:29a	>>There simply is no other candidate to explain why the decline in marriage increased when gay marriage was adopted.<< The divorce rate since interracial marriage has been legal has increased in America. So, interracial marriage must be to blame. The lengths to which people will go to justify their bigotry is astounding, but not unprecedented.

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