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Topic: Gay Marriage Ban Overturned by CA Supreme Court

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471	mele Fri 6/6/2008 10:07a	Most discussions can be tailored to be kid-appropriate. Usually just saying that "sometimes boys love boys and girls love girls" has always been enough. My kids don't think about it beyond those few times when I explained it to them when they were young. To them, it's natural to see hugging and kissing because, as children, they often receive so much of it themselves. They are fine with the "love" explanation and usually don't give it as second thought. If a parent freaks out then the child is going to instantly be far more curious about it than if they had just answered briefly but honestly. As parents, I think it's important to teach our children and give them answers even if doing so makes us uncomfortable. You'd want them to do the same as adults, no? Everything is a learning experience. My point was that I think it's sad that people seem to be so scared of discussions and that they don't happen more often. I understand the age-appropriate idea. My kids don't know that I am bisexual. I'm in a monogamous heterosexual marriage. There is no need for them to know. Maybe someday, once they're adults or if I get divorced. It just isn't something that I feel I need to parade around. I'm not ashamed but I do wonder how it will affect them. More so because I am currently married. It's far more complicated when kids are involved. I definitely think you can give a kid too much information but honestly, kids usually get bored when you start getting too detailed. That's one easy way to tell if you're saying too much about sex or our bodies, etc. (Sometimes you get a look of horror. LOL)
472	Dabob2 Fri 6/6/2008 10:07a	And mele, #465 was awesome.
473	DAR Fri 6/6/2008 10:16a	<<I definitely think you can give a kid too much information but honestly, kids usually get bored when you start getting too detailed. That's one easy way to tell if you're saying too much about sex or our bodies, etc. (Sometimes you get a look of horror. LOL)>> Ever see the South Park episode where a Lord of the Rings tape got mixed up with an adult movie tape.
474	jdub Fri 6/6/2008 10:30a	Crikey, I would be SO upset if I were to happen to rent an "adult movie" and instead wound up being subjected to a buncha hairy hobbits. I don't even want to THINK about it! Talk about UNCOMFORTABLE.
475	DAR Fri 6/6/2008 11:41a	Obviously you've never seen a Ron Jeremy flick.
476	Kar2oonMan Fri 6/6/2008 12:35p	ROFL!!!!
477	mele Fri 6/6/2008 4:23p	<<When did I ever say it was proof? It's you that keeps conflating proof and opinion.>> So, you keep arguing that Kurtz's conclusions are correct. You say that we are all wrong and continue to parrot him...and now you're saying that you've never said there was proof? Why do you believe it then? ("Truthiness", anyone?) Well, for once I agree. There is no proof here. Just a desire to believe that gay marriage has caused these problems.
478	DouglasDubh Tue 6/10/2008 7:48p	<They're not similar -- they're practically identical.> Well, no, they aren't. Unlike interracial marriages, gay marriages were unheard in almost every society. Unlike interracial marriages, gay marriages cannot produce children. While almost no state recognized gay marriage until recently, most states recognized interracial marriages most of the time, and very few states ever forbid interracial marriages.
479	DouglasDubh Tue 6/10/2008 7:53p	<There are a lot of "anyones" here saying it's you who's confusing things, and no "anyones" yet saying it was me.> We obviously have different ways of defining "a lot". Just because one or two people believe you because they agree with you doesn't mean they've read the articles, and examined the issue honestly. <You can get all semantic again (and probably will), but when you say someone "showed cause," that's a lot closer to saying he "proved" something than "he gave his opinion."> We wouldn't have to argue semantics if you wouldn't distort the meaning of words. <Oh, but I can.> But you didn't, as I expected.
480	Kar2oonMan Wed 6/11/2008 6:53a	This report on the state of Missouri is from back in 1999, long before the topic of gay marriage was being discussed all that much. http://www.dhss.mo.gov/FOCUS/A...No6.html >>Marriage rates in Missouri have continued to decline since 1990. In 1998, the marriage rate fell to its lowest since 1960, 8.0 marriages per 1,000 population. In general, Missouri marriage rates followed the same pattern as the nation's: low in 1960's; relatively high in 1970's and early 1980's; declining in 1990's. However, Missouri rates fluctuated more dramatically than those of the United States. Figure 1 shows three stages of change in the past 39 years. Between 1960 and 1966, Missouri marriage rates were lower than those of the nation's; starting from 1968 its increase surpassed the national pace; then from 1990 on the Missouri marriage rate decreased faster, dropping below the nation's rate again. Over the past 39 years, Missouri population increased 26 percent, while marriage numbers increased 24 percent. << >>The marriage rate has continued to decline in Missouri as in the United States. There are several possible reasons for the downward trend, including: 1. Young men and women are delaying their marriage to pursue an education or career goal first. 2. Increasing numbers of people are staying single. 3. Many people are choosing to live together before marriage or in place of marriage. 4. Many may have experienced a bad marriage when their parents divorced, and they are leery of trying it themselves.<< No mention of gay marriage being responsible, or even a factor in this trend. Interesting.

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