| # | Author | Message |
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| mele
Wed 6/11/2008 11:32a | <<Mele, the statement you quoted does not presume that it's EASY to not follow your desires.
Nor does is presume that gay people are trying to change their gender.>>
Of course, it's not EASY...it's EASY to tell someone ELSE to do it when you're unwilling to do it yourself.
You're defining what "gender" means when you use it against gay people. I see that as "changing" it. I am a woman...no matter who I am attracted to. So, how does my gender, which is essential to me, come into play at all? |
492
| utahjosh
Wed 6/11/2008 11:34a | <I like this bit thrown in at the end.>
I'm sure we disagree on this stuff. I hope you don't mock it.
I believe that "this bit" is not a threat of man, but a revelation and warning given by God through prophets of God. |
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| utahjosh
Wed 6/11/2008 11:35a | "You're defining what "gender" means when you use it against gay people. I see that as "changing" it. I am a woman...no matter who I am attracted to. So, how does my gender, which is essential to me, come into play at all?"
It's not a statement specifically on Gay people, it's a statement about the Family in general. Take it as a whole. |
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| Kar2oonMan
Wed 6/11/2008 11:42a | >>We call upon responsible citizens and officers of government everywhere to promote those measures designed to maintain and strengthen the family as the fundamental unit of society.<<
Gay marriage does nothing to weaken tradition heterosexual marriage. Nothing.
What does weaken it is infidelity, irresponsible parenting, and of course, divorce, joblessness, and on and on.
But if people want to believe that gay marriage is any sort of threat to traditional heterosexual marriage, well, they'll just go on and believe it.
Eventually, perhaps the LDS church will get some sort of divine revelation, as they did regarding blacks back in the 1970's, and it'll all be okay. |
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| utahjosh
Wed 6/11/2008 11:46a | <Eventually, perhaps the LDS church will get some sort of divine revelation, as they did regarding blacks back in the 1970's, and it'll all be okay.>
Not going to happen. There was never direct revelation, specific instruction from the Lord to not give Blacks the priesthood. The Lord DID give specific instruction to allow it, though.
But the ideas in the "Proclamation on the Family" are eternal ideals that we will never stray from.
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| Kar2oonMan
Wed 6/11/2008 11:57a | >>Not going to happen.<<
Well, you just don't know that. The Lord gave no specific instructions that gay marriage wasn't okay -- He never mentioned it. Maybe the Lord will give specific intruction to allow it. |
497
| Dabob2
Wed 6/11/2008 12:09p | <So that's part of our belief, and I know that many disagree.>
If part of your belief is to foist your beliefs on the larger civil society, and/or harm fellow US citizens by depriving them of equal rights, then yeah, I can't get behind that. Because that IS what you're doing.
As as 2oony points out, disallowing gay marriage does nothing to "strengthen the family" anyway. Nor does allowing it weaken the family. In fact, just the opposite - it brings more people into a family structure. So even the stated reason for opposing it doesn't wash.
(2oony): <But if people want to believe that gay marriage is any sort of threat to traditional heterosexual marriage, well, they'll just go on and believe it.>
Bingo. |
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| utahjosh
Wed 6/11/2008 12:15p | <The Lord gave no specific instructions that gay marriage wasn't okay.>
Gay marriages will never be allowed in the LDS Church Temples - Marriages there are for eternity, have a lot to do with procreation, and building of families, which is not possible with a gay couple to do naturally and eternally.
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| utahjosh
Wed 6/11/2008 12:16p | And if people want to believe that gay marriage is no threat to traditional heterosexual marriage, well, they'll just go on and believe it. |
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| mele
Wed 6/11/2008 12:17p | Thankfully, more and more people believe it everyday and will also be voting. |
